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04/07/2016 01:00 PM House JUDICIARY

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                    ALASKA STATE LEGISLATURE                                                                                  
               HOUSE JUDICIARY STANDING COMMITTEE                                                                             
                         April 7, 2016                                                                                          
                           1:33 p.m.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS PRESENT                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Representative Gabrielle LeDoux, Chair                                                                                          
Representative Wes Keller, Vice Chair                                                                                           
Representative Neal Foster                                                                                                      
Representative Bob Lynn                                                                                                         
Representative Matt Claman                                                                                                      
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MEMBERS ABSENT                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Representative Kurt Olson (alternate)                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
COMMITTEE CALENDAR                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 347                                                                                                              
"An Act  relating to  the limitation period  to commence  a false                                                               
claims action;  relating to recovery  for false claims  for state                                                               
or  municipal funds;  and amending  Rules 4,  24, and  46, Alaska                                                               
Rules of Civil Procedure."                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
HOUSE BILL NO. 205                                                                                                              
"An Act relating to conditions  of release; relating to community                                                               
work   service;  relating   to  credit   toward  a   sentence  of                                                               
imprisonment  for certain  persons  under electronic  monitoring;                                                               
relating  to the  restoration under  certain circumstances  of an                                                               
administratively  revoked driver's  license, privilege  to drive,                                                               
or  privilege  to  obtain  a license;  allowing  a  reduction  of                                                               
penalties  for offenders  successfully completing  court- ordered                                                               
treatment  programs for  persons convicted  of driving  under the                                                               
influence; relating to termination of  a revocation of a driver's                                                               
license; relating to restoration  of a driver's license; relating                                                               
to  credits  toward a  sentence  of  imprisonment, to  good  time                                                               
deductions, and to providing for  earned good time deductions for                                                               
prisoners;  relating  to  early   termination  of  probation  and                                                               
reduction of probation  for good conduct; relating  to the rights                                                               
of  crime victims;  relating to  the disqualification  of persons                                                               
convicted of  certain felony drug offenses  from participation in                                                               
the  food stamp  and temporary  assistance programs;  relating to                                                               
probation; relating to mitigating  factors; relating to treatment                                                               
programs   for  prisoners;   relating  to   the  duties   of  the                                                               
commissioner of  corrections; amending  Rule 32, Alaska  Rules of                                                               
Criminal Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     - HEARD & HELD                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
PREVIOUS COMMITTEE ACTION                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
BILL: HB 347                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: RECOVERY OF FALSE CLAIMS FOR STATE FUNDS                                                                           
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) KREISS-TOMKINS                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
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BILL: HB 205                                                                                                                  
SHORT TITLE: CRIMINAL LAW/PROCEDURE; DRIV LIC; PUB AID                                                                          
SPONSOR(s): REPRESENTATIVE(s) MILLETT                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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WITNESS REGISTER                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REID MAGDANZ, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Jonathan Kreiss-Tomkins                                                                                          
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: Presented HB 347 on behalf of Representative                                                              
Kreiss-Tomkins.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
STACIE KRALY, Chief Assistant Attorney General                                                                                  
Section Statewide Supervisor,                                                                                                   
Human Services                                                                                                                  
Department of Law                                                                                                               
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION STATEMENT: During the hearing of HB 347, answered                                                                    
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BOYLE                                                                                                                     
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION STATEMENT: During the hearing of HB 347, offered                                                                     
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN MERRILL                                                                                                                  
Alaska Policy Forum                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITIION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  347,  offered                                                             
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
RAY KREIG                                                                                                                       
Alaska Policy Forum                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITIION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  347,  offered                                                             
testimony.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE, General Counsel                                                                                                    
Administrative Staff                                                                                                            
Office of the Administrative Director                                                                                           
Alaska Court System (ACS)                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing  of  HB  347,  offered                                                             
testimony and answered questions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
GRACE ABBOTT, Staff                                                                                                             
Representative Charisse Millett                                                                                                 
Alaska State Legislature                                                                                                        
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During the  hearing  of  HB 205,  discussed                                                             
various amendments.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
QUINLAN STEINER, Director                                                                                                       
Public Defender Agency (PDA)                                                                                                    
Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During the  hearing  of  HB 205,  discussed                                                             
various amendments and answered questions.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
GREG RAZO, Chair                                                                                                                
Alaska Criminal Justice Commission                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
LAURA BROOKS, Health Care Administrator                                                                                         
Office of the Commissioner                                                                                                      
Department of Corrections (DOC)                                                                                                 
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
TRACEY WOLLENBERG, Deputy Director                                                                                              
Appellate Division                                                                                                              
Public Defender Agency (PDA)                                                                                                    
Department of Administration (DOA)                                                                                              
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE, General Counsel                                                                                                    
Administrative Staff                                                                                                            
Office of the Administrative Director                                                                                           
Alaska Court System (ACS)                                                                                                       
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing  of  HB  205,  offered                                                             
testimony and answered questions.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
JOHN SKIDMORE, Director                                                                                                         
Legal Services Section                                                                                                          
Criminal Division                                                                                                               
Department of Law (DOL)                                                                                                         
POSITION  STATEMENT:  During  the  hearing of  HB  205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
DEAN WILLIAMS, Commissioner Designee                                                                                            
Department of Corrections                                                                                                       
Juneau, Alaska                                                                                                                  
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  the hearing  of  HB 205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SUSANNE DiPETRO, Executive Director                                                                                             
Alaska Judicial Council                                                                                                         
Alaska Court System                                                                                                             
Anchorage, Alaska                                                                                                               
POSITION  STATEMENT:   During  the hearing  of  HB 205,  answered                                                             
questions.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
ACTION NARRATIVE                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:33:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  GABRIELLE  LEDOUX  called  the  House  Judiciary  Standing                                                             
Committee meeting to order at  1:33 p.m.  Representatives Claman,                                                               
Kreiss-Tomkins, Keller,  and LeDoux were  present at the  call to                                                               
order.   Representatives Foster and  Lynn arrived as  the meeting                                                               
was in progress.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        HB 347-RECOVERY OF FALSE CLAIMS FOR STATE FUNDS                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
1:34:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX announced that the  first order of business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL NO. 347, "An Act  relating to the limitation period to                                                               
commence a  false claims action;  relating to recovery  for false                                                               
claims for  state or municipal  funds; and amending Rules  4, 24,                                                               
and 46, Alaska Rules of Civil Procedure."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:35:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS explained that  the qui tam bill or                                                               
the Alaska  False Claims Act  is an anti-waste, fraud,  and abuse                                                               
piece of legislation  that has been adopted on  the federal level                                                               
by approximately  29 states around  the nation.  He  advised that                                                               
it  is  fairly  well  vetted  and  modeled  after  other  states,                                                               
specifically the State of New  York, and is substantially similar                                                               
to language in  the Medicaid Reform bill, currently  in the other                                                               
body.    While there  are  a  few cosmetic  differentiations,  he                                                               
offered,  it  is  effectively  the   same  idea  except  this  is                                                               
inclusive  to all  subject matter,  whereas  the Medicaid  Reform                                                               
bill is specific to only Medicaid.   He deferred to his staff for                                                               
a greater analysis.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:36:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REID  MAGDANZ,  Staff,  Representative  Jonathan  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
Alaska State  Legislature, reiterated  that the False  Claims Act                                                               
is based off  of false claims acts enforced at  the federal level                                                               
and  approximately 29  other states  in the  union.   The central                                                               
components include:  defining false  claims (Sec.  2 of  HB 347);                                                               
the attorney  general is charged with  investigating false claims                                                               
cases;  and  the  portion  of  the  bill  that  is  perhaps  most                                                               
noteworthy relates  to the  ability of  a private  plaintiff, the                                                               
qui  tam plaintiff,  to bring  a  case alleging  false claims  in                                                               
situations where the  attorney general does not bring  a case due                                                               
to limited resources or because  the attorney general is unaware.                                                               
House Bill 347  spells out the process for  the private plaintiff                                                               
to bring a  case, wherein they would file a  [complaint] with the                                                               
court  under  seal  and  at  the same  time  serve  the  attorney                                                               
general, whereby the attorney general  has 60-days to review that                                                               
case and investigate  the claims made.  At the  end of the 60-day                                                               
period or  an extension, the  attorney general can  either pursue                                                               
the case or allow a municipality  to pursue the case if the claim                                                               
is  against  a municipality.    Although,  he explained,  if  the                                                               
attorney general declines  to pursue the case,  the private party                                                               
who  originally identified  the fraud  can pursue  the action  to                                                               
conclusion.   He offered that  no matter which course  is chosen,                                                               
the private  plaintiff is  entitled to receive  a portion  of the                                                               
money  recovered if  the case  is won,  and the  exact percentage                                                               
varies based  upon how much information  and how large of  a role                                                               
the private  plaintiff played.   The federal law has  resulted in                                                               
over $30 billion  worth of recovery to the  federal government in                                                               
cases originally brought  by a private plaintiff.   He noted that                                                               
this [bill]  provides a powerful  tool against fraud  by allowing                                                               
individual people the  ability to bring cases  when they identify                                                               
fraud, and it provides a financial incentive to do so.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:40:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX opined  there is a federal qui tam  statute but that                                                               
statute  specifically excludes  tax matters.   She  asked whether                                                               
this bill includes tax division  issues, and further asked him to                                                               
explain what  this bill  does where  the federal  statute decided                                                               
not to, and whether the qui  tam statutes in other states include                                                               
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAGDANZ referred to Sec. 2(b) [page 2, line 25], which read:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        (b) This section applies to claims, records, or                                                                         
     statements made under AS 43 if                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAGDANZ advised  that HB 347 does apply to  tax cases, and it                                                               
only applies to claims, records,  or statements made under AS 43,                                                               
Alaska's tax  title, if  the net  income or  sales of  the person                                                               
against whom  the action  is brought  is equal  to or  exceeds $1                                                               
million  or the  damages sought  exceed $350,000.   He  continued                                                               
that  the bill  includes tax  matters because  the state  law the                                                               
sponsor modeled it after also includes tax matter.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
1:41:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX questioned whether Mr.  Magdanz said that there must                                                               
be a claim in excess of $1 million.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAGDANZ opined  that  it is  not  a claim  in  excess of  $1                                                               
million, the net  income or sales of the person  against whom the                                                               
false claims  action is  being brought must  exceed $1  million a                                                               
year.   Therefore, it  cannot be  used to  bring a  claim against                                                               
small businesses or individuals with small tax burdens.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
1:42:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN asked,  in addition  to the  tax question,                                                               
whether there are other ways  wherein the Alaska False Claims Act                                                               
would differ  from the federal False  Claims Act in terms  of the                                                               
kinds of claims that can be brought.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAGDANZ offered  that  he has  not  performed an  exhaustive                                                               
side-by-side analysis of  the two acts, but  their definitions of                                                               
false  claims are  relatively similar  and he  would provide  the                                                               
information.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:43:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STACIE KRALY,  Chief Assistant  Attorney General,  Human Services                                                               
Section  Statewide Supervisor,  Department of  Law, available  to                                                               
answer questions.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY, in  response to Chair LeDoux, responded  that she does                                                               
not do any work with respect to taxes.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  in what  situations there  might be  a valid                                                               
case  for tax  fraud  that the  attorney  general's office  would                                                               
decide not to pursue a case.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY requested clarification  and asked whether the question                                                               
was  that  Chair  LeDoux  would like  to  understand  under  what                                                               
circumstances  the  attorney general  may  decline  to pursue  an                                                               
action where the monetary thresholds had been met.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  agreed,  and  she  clarified  where  the  monetary                                                               
circumstances  have been  met and  under  what circumstances  the                                                               
attorney general would decline to pursue a case.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY responded that she  can answer that question generally,                                                               
and will return with more specifics.   She explained that the way                                                               
false claims acts are designed  is that the attorney general will                                                               
be served  with a copy  of the complaint  that has been  filed in                                                               
court under seal,  and would have 60-days to  evaluate the merits                                                               
of  the allegations  within that  complaint.   At which  time the                                                               
attorney general has  to make a decision either  to: proceed with                                                               
the case on their own accord;  defer to the qui tam plaintiff, in                                                               
this instance;  or move  the court to  dismiss the  claim because                                                               
even though the  monetary thresholds had been met  there would be                                                               
circumstances as  set forth in  the statutes.  She  remarked that                                                               
she is not as familiar with  this statute as with the statute for                                                               
Medicaid  fraud cases.    There are  specific  limitations as  to                                                               
certain claims not considered to be  a false claim even if it may                                                               
arise to  be a false claim  in general or  it may appear to  be a                                                               
false  claim, such  as information  that is  within the  public's                                                               
sphere.   For  example,  she said,  an  investigative news  story                                                               
advises that "Organization  X has been doing these  bad acts" and                                                               
then  someone files  a  case and  states that  "This  is a  false                                                               
claim."   That  scenario would  not be  considered a  false claim                                                               
under  the statute,  so  that  claim could  not  be pursued  even                                                               
though the  monetary thresholds had  been met.   In the  event an                                                               
ongoing investigation  had taken  place for  some other  civil or                                                               
criminal  action related  to that  allegation, the  Department of                                                               
Law  would be  limited from  pursuing  those.   She related  that                                                               
there are  specific provisions  within HB  347, and  within false                                                               
claims acts  in general that  limit and preclude  the prosecution                                                               
of a  false claim  under very  certain circumstances  in statute.                                                               
She offered  a scenario  where the  Department of  Law determined                                                               
there wasn't  sufficient evidence to  support the claim  and meet                                                               
the burden  of taking it  to trial,  the Department of  Law could                                                               
then move to settle or dismiss the case.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
1:46:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that  in the event  the Department  of Law                                                               
(DOL)  decides  not  to  pursue the  case  they  could  determine                                                               
whether it is a frivolous case or not and dismiss it themselves.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY responded  generally  yes, and  advised  that she  has                                                               
reviewed several versions of the  general false claim act and all                                                               
have the provision  where the Department of Law (DOL)  or in this                                                               
case  because  municipalities  were  involved,  the  governmental                                                               
agency  would  be  able  to evaluate  that  claim  and  determine                                                               
whether or not to move to dismiss  the court.  She opined that it                                                               
is  not  an  automatic  dismissal  because  they  would  have  to                                                               
petition   the  court   to   dismiss  the   claim.     In   those                                                               
circumstances, she advised,  the qui tam plaintiff  would be able                                                               
to be  present in the court  and make an argument  or evidentiary                                                               
offer  to  the court  to  say,  "No,  this  claim should  not  be                                                               
dismissed and I should  be allowed to go forward."   It is not an                                                               
automatic  dismissal,   she  reiterated,  it  is   a  process  of                                                               
requesting  the court  to consider  dismissal with  the plaintiff                                                               
being able to argue otherwise.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
1:48:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  pointed out  that  she  wants  to be  certain  the                                                               
committee does not pass something  that allows qui tam plaintiffs                                                               
to, perhaps, unjustly harass.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  responded that that  is a very  good point and  it has                                                               
been raised  in both bodies  in dealing with the  Medicaid reform                                                               
bill.  Due to the  60-day investigation by the attorney general's                                                               
office  and the  ability  of  the attorney  general  to move  for                                                               
dismissal and/or  to settle  a case,  those protections  are such                                                               
that they will limit what  has been characterized as frivolous or                                                               
harassing  litigation   by  individuals.    There   are  built-in                                                               
protections under  these statutes  for the  Department of  Law to                                                               
come in  and perform a  robust evaluation of the  allegations and                                                               
the  evidence  that  supports those  allegations,  she  remarked.                                                               
Within that 60-day period of  investigation the Department of Law                                                               
has the  ability to subpoena  for records and  conduct discovery.                                                               
There is  a provision in  the statute that allows  the Department                                                               
of Law  a continuation  of 30-days  to be  certain of  a complete                                                               
investigation to assure  that the claim does have  merit, or that                                                               
it should be dismissed, or settled.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:49:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  asked whether the  Department of Law  is supportive                                                               
of this bill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  responded that the  Department of Law has  no position                                                               
on this bill.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
1:49:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  referred to the attorney  general's notice                                                               
of  the  [complaint],  and  offered   a  circumstance  where  the                                                               
attorney  general knows  little or  nothing about  the claim  and                                                               
decides it  is a  good claim.   The  attorney general  then takes                                                               
over the  claim and the qui  tam plaintiff is out  of the picture                                                               
as it  is the  state's lawsuit.   He asked  whether that  is what                                                               
happens when the state decides to accept the claim.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY said  in a  sense yes,  but the  qui tam  plaintiff is                                                               
still able  to participate, possibly  not given party  status but                                                               
they are  involved and  if there  is a  settlement they  have the                                                               
ability to participate  and object to a settlement.   She pointed                                                               
out that she  has not studied this bill in  detail, but the other                                                               
false  claims acts  read as  such  and they  participate but  the                                                               
litigation would be directed by the Department of Law.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:50:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN offered  a second  scenario in  that after                                                               
being notified of  the claim, the state moves to  dismiss it.  He                                                               
asked whether the  determination is based on the  merits based on                                                               
the facts,  or a  legal determination assuming  the facts  are as                                                               
the  qui  tam  plaintiff  says  they  are,  it  is  still  not  a                                                               
recognizable claim  under the False  Claims Act so it  should get                                                               
dismissed.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  opined that it could  be done either way,  and further                                                               
opined that  there is kind of  a merits based analysis  but there                                                               
is also a  substantive review that is required  by the Department                                                               
of Law (DOL)  that would then determine whether or  not there was                                                               
sufficient  evidence.   For example,  she offered,  the complaint                                                               
comes in and alleges a situation  within the public sphere and as                                                               
a matter of  law, it is not  a false claim and DOL  would move to                                                               
dismiss, which is easy  to decide.  In the event  there is not an                                                               
easy answer, which  would go through the four  or five provisions                                                               
in this  bill and other bills  like it, which reads  these do not                                                               
constitute false claims; therefore, they  can't proceed.  At that                                                               
point,  a more  substantive  review of  the  allegation would  be                                                               
required through discovery and an  investigation to determine the                                                               
merits of the allegations, she explained.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
1:52:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked how this  bill gives the state  or a                                                               
potential  false claims  plaintiff something  they don't  already                                                               
have by using the federal act.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY pointed  out that the quick answer is  that it allows a                                                               
false  claims for  state administered  programs  and, she  opined                                                               
that the federal  act would not allow pursuing a  false claim for                                                               
a  state funded  program.   She offered  the example  of Medicaid                                                               
programs  and said  there are  a number  of federal  false claims                                                               
dealing with pharmaceuticals that  the state participates in, but                                                               
those  are  a  broader  based  issue  and  also  have  a  federal                                                               
component to  it.  She  opined that this  would give the  qui tam                                                               
plaintiff the ability to identify  and pursue a false claim based                                                               
upon   state  funded   activities   under   state  statutes   and                                                               
regulations.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:53:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN referred  to  the  state's current  budget                                                               
situation and asked the department's  capacity to get involved in                                                               
the false claims actions on a state level.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  referred to the  fiscal note attached to  the Medicaid                                                               
reform  bill (SB  74), and  noted that  the department  asked for                                                               
some resources to  pursue that.  She  said it is a  matter of how                                                               
it would  be calculated  out and that  it may  require additional                                                               
resources by the Department of Law,  but she is not familiar with                                                               
how the department will calculate those out.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
1:54:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked who the Alaska  False Claims Act might be used                                                               
against  and  noted  that  Medicaid   has  a  federal  component;                                                               
therefore, couldn't an  action be brought under  the federal law.                                                               
She asked for an example.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY deferred to the sponsor or his staff.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS deferred to his staff.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
1:55:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAGDANZ said the definition of  false claims in Sec. 2 of the                                                               
act applies  to basically  anyone asking the  state for  money or                                                               
resources or  receiving money  or resources from  the state.   He                                                               
offered that  he has  not performed a  precise legal  analysis to                                                               
know  exactly which  cases  might  fall under  it  or might  not.                                                               
Basically, he  noted, anyone  who had a  contract with  the state                                                               
could  be  subject  to  a   false  claims  action  if  they  were                                                               
defrauding  the state.    For example,  he  said, IT  procurement                                                               
cases.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:56:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  asked  whether  Mr.  Magdanz  was                                                               
familiar  with   false  claims  brought   in  other   states  and                                                               
jurisdictions that settled, and the subject matter.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:56:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAGDANZ  answered that  he  copied  a  short list  from  the                                                               
"Taxpayers Against Fraud"  website and many of the  cases have to                                                               
do  with medical  claims  or pharmaceuticals.    He then  offered                                                               
examples of  different cases, such  as, oil on public  lands, the                                                               
United States  Department of Housing and  Urban Development (HUD)                                                               
...                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
1:57:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX questioned why that  would have been brought under a                                                               
state statute.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MAGDANZ responded  that these are examples  of claims brought                                                               
under federal statute.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
1:57:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER referred  to  [Sec. 37.10.110],  beginning                                                               
page 1,  line 11 through  to page 2, line  24, and said  he found                                                               
the language  confusing and was  advised that this  language came                                                               
from the  federal act.   He pointed to [Sec.  37.10.110(a)(4)] on                                                               
page 2, lines 9-11, which read:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               (4) possess or control public property or                                                                        
     money  used   or  to  be   used  by  the  state   or  a                                                                    
     municipality  and  knowingly  deliver or  cause  to  be                                                                    
     delivered less  property than the amount  for which the                                                                    
     person receives a certificate or receipt;                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER opined that Alaska  is the only state where                                                               
all of  the natural resources  of the state are  public property.                                                               
He pointed this  out, not because he sees it  as a large problem,                                                               
but  rather because  it is  simply importing  language without  a                                                               
careful  analysis  of  all  of   the  language  in  every  single                                                               
subsection.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Representative Keller referred to  [Sec. 37.10.110(a)(6)] on page                                                               
2, lines 15-16, which read:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
               (6) knowingly buy or receive as a pledge of                                                                      
     an  obligation or  debt public  property from  a person                                                                    
     who may not lawfully sell or pledge the property.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER referred to  [Sec. 37.10.110(a)(8)] on page                                                               
2, lines 15-16, which read:                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                    (8) fail to disclose a false claim to                                                                       
     the state  or a  municipality within a  reasonable time                                                                    
     after discovery of  the false claim if the  person is a                                                                    
     beneficiary  of an  inadvertant submission  of a  false                                                                    
     claim to  an employee, officer,  or agent of  the state                                                                    
     or  a  municipality or  to  a  contractor, grantee,  or                                                                    
     other recipient of state or municipal funds.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER described subsections  (4), (6), and (8) as                                                               
confusing because  it is difficult  to imagine a case  where this                                                               
might  be applied.    He  asked whether  this  language had  been                                                               
carefully  considered,   whether  this  language  is   common  to                                                               
Alaska's laws, and  whether the committee is doing  things it may                                                               
regret.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:00:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MAGDANZ acknowledged  that this  language was  largely drawn                                                               
from   other   examples   in  templet   legislation,   and   that                                                               
Representative Keller made good points.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX said  she is  not moving  HB 347  today and  opened                                                               
public testimony.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:01:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DAVID BOYLE said  he is testifying on his own  behalf and that he                                                               
is a  member of the Alaska  Policy Forum.  He  explained that the                                                               
Alaska  False Claims  Act has  a deterring  effect on  preventing                                                               
fraud, such  as Medicaid fraud.   More importantly, he  noted, it                                                               
rewards  public   employees  and  protects  them   from  reprisal                                                               
actions,  it rewards  everyday  Alaskans to  be  active in  daily                                                               
governmental  functions,  and  there   are  29  states  including                                                               
Washington D.C., with false claims  acts.  He then listed various                                                               
cases within  the federal program,  which included:  the McKesson                                                               
Corporation  (Pharmacy)  was found  guilty  of  $151 million  for                                                               
sales  in  Medicaid  fraud;   the  Walter  Investment  Management                                                               
Corporation submitted $30  million in false claims  to the United                                                               
States  Department of  Housing and  Urban  Development (HUD)  and                                                               
they  later  received  $5.5 million  in  reward  incentives;  and                                                               
recently  12  Detroit  public  school  principals,  an  assistant                                                               
superintendent,  and the  vendor were  charged by  the FBI  in an                                                               
illegal bribery  and kick-back scheme  - fraudulent  invoices for                                                               
supplies  totaling  over $900  thousand.    In 2009,  the  Alaska                                                               
Policy Forum  recommended to the  Anchorage School  District that                                                               
they "Formulate,  invest, and implement  a fraud waste  and abuse                                                               
policy to ensure  most efficient operations.  The  focus on fraud                                                               
and  abuse should  be:  1. procurement  and  contracting and  the                                                               
potential  theft  of  district  property.    This  requires  that                                                               
stringent   equipment  control   policies   be  established   and                                                               
followed.  The  comprehensive fraud and abuse  policy should also                                                               
include  full whistleblower  protection  and  incentives for  the                                                               
identification  of fraud  waste -and  abuse."   Unfortunately, he                                                               
said,  the Anchorage  School District  did not  agree because  it                                                               
would be  too difficult to  implement and the  incentivization of                                                               
the program would not be fair.   He asked that the committee pass                                                               
HB 347 out  of committee because "we need to  squeeze every penny                                                               
out of the Alaska budget due to our fiscal crisis."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:03:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
STEVEN MERRILL said he is testifying on behalf of the Alaska                                                                    
Policy Forum, is an Anchorage attorney, "and a long-time freedom                                                                
fighter."  Mr. Merrill offered testimony as follows:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
     My statement here for you  today is entitled, Gangsters                                                                  
     Beware,  and  I want  to  start  with an  old  Scottish                                                                  
     proverb: 'Thieves operate in  the dark, yet are visible                                                                    
     in many ways people can see.'                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Every  year paperwork  con artists,  from mega  billion                                                                    
     dollar corporations to family  run fraud shacks rip off                                                                    
     American government  to the tune of  untold billions of                                                                    
     dollars.  Few  perpetrators are ever caught.   The ones                                                                    
     that are  caught typically  are discovered  and exposed                                                                    
     by  those  working  in some  way  with  the  fraudster.                                                                    
     Maybe someone  who becomes outraged at  the crime being                                                                    
     committed.   But that  kind of  event might  usually be                                                                    
     the end  for justice,  just silent, disgusted  what was                                                                    
     happening.  That is  unless the potential whistleblower                                                                    
     manages to use  the only effective means  that has ever                                                                    
     been in  the United  States for exposing  fraud against                                                                    
     the public treasury.   That is called  the False Claims                                                                    
     Act.    It's time  Alaska  joined  29 other  states  in                                                                    
     trying to  do something about  the tens of  millions of                                                                    
     dollars in  state government, right here  in our state,                                                                    
     is  conned into  giving  to flim-flam  men every  year.                                                                    
     Alaska  needs its  own false  claims  act, as  proposed                                                                    
     here by Representative Kreiss-Tomkins,  it also needs a                                                                    
     whistleblower protection act, and  an Alaska fraud hot-                                                                    
     line  so  people  can  be aware  of  these  laws,  both                                                                    
     government   contractors,  government   employees,  and                                                                    
     management  of  government   contractors,  so  everyone                                                                    
     knows  what the  law  is  and how  they  can contact  a                                                                    
     confidential source.   The  fraud hot-line  could offer                                                                    
     confidentiality that  is kept outside the  direct state                                                                    
     record keeping, which is quite  often very important to                                                                    
     a  whistleblower.   I helped  the  Alaska Policy  Forum                                                                    
     this year draft  a false claims act for  Alaska that is                                                                    
     drawn from  a number of  state laws across  the county.                                                                    
     So -- that is the case  also with this bill proposed by                                                                    
     Representative  Kreiss-Tomkins,  primarily  drawn,  I'm                                                                    
     told, from the New York  statute.  The major difference                                                                    
     between  the  two  is  that   the  New  York  law  caps                                                                    
     whistleblower  compensation at  a 25  percent share  of                                                                    
     the total recovery.  And  it also, more importantly and                                                                    
     to me oddly, sets a  minimum amount in controversy that                                                                    
     is quite high, $350 thousand dollar limit.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:06:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     Now  most   states,  and  most   --  and   the  federal                                                                    
     government have a  higher cap and no  floor.  Typically                                                                    
     the  cap  is 30-35  percent.    The difference  between                                                                    
     these approaches can  be critical to whether  a case is                                                                    
     going to be accepted or not.   One that may not have an                                                                    
     exceptionally large recovery to be  had.  A false claim                                                                    
     could be for  vast millions of dollars or  for rip offs                                                                    
     that  do not  even reach  $100 thousand  dollars.   Why                                                                    
     should lesser fees face no  consequences -- no possible                                                                    
     consequences?   The  solution we  propose is  to delete                                                                    
     the  cap in  this bill  and  to use  brackets like  tax                                                                    
     brackets  for determining  the (indisc.)  share of  the                                                                    
     recovery.   A  higher  proportion of  the first  dollar                                                                    
     recovered and  a lesser proportion  as the size  of the                                                                    
     recovery rises.   Ladies  and gentlemen,  this proposed                                                                    
     new law,  before the  committee, would  finally greatly                                                                    
     endanger  the  hosts  of parasites  who  are  routinely                                                                    
     stealing the public  funds of Alaska.   This year let's                                                                    
     make the first serious effort  ever in Alaska to combat                                                                    
     fraud, waste and abuse of public funds.  Thank you.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:08:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRILL,  in response  to Chair LeDoux,  agreed to  forward a                                                               
copy of the qui tam bill formulated by the Alaska Policy Forum.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX said the committee  would like to compare their bill                                                               
with  the current  HB 347  to  determine how  to make  it into  a                                                               
better bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. MERRILL advised that the  Alaska Public Forum bill recommends                                                               
a  hot-line law  and  a whistleblower  protection  act which,  he                                                               
opined, are necessary components of this.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
2:09:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
RAY KREIG,  Alaska Policy Forum,  said he is  probably testifying                                                               
both  on behalf  of  the Alaska  Policy Forum  and  himself.   He                                                               
offered testimony as follows:                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     And I just  wanted to say, in listening  to the earlier                                                                    
     questions, including Madam Chair  your own questions of                                                                    
     'Why do  we need this  if there is a  federal statute?'                                                                    
     Just to  give you a  little bit of history,  the Policy                                                                    
     Forum was  looking into the  excesses of the  new crime                                                                    
     lab on Tudor  Road while it was being proposed.   And I                                                                    
     got  involved with  that  investigation  and our  first                                                                    
     attention  at  the Policy  Forum  to  the problem  with                                                                    
     Alaska  not having  fraud,  waste,  and abuse  statutes                                                                    
     came  from   our  interviewing   a  former   crime  lab                                                                    
     director,  Chris Beheim.   He  strongly  felt that  our                                                                    
     state  procedures and  statutes  were  lacking in  this                                                                    
     area.   And the  ongoing outcome of  the investigations                                                                    
     surrounding the crime lab was  this whitepaper that Mr.                                                                    
     Beheim  was  a co-author  of,  that  came out  and  was                                                                    
     distributed to the legislature several  months ago.  We                                                                    
     didn't know  about this hearing  today, we had  no idea                                                                    
     it was  coming up.   Mr. Beheim undoubtedly  would have                                                                    
     testified, but he's just unavailable  right now as this                                                                    
     is going  on.  So,  I am not  nearly the expert  on the                                                                    
     statute, obviously,  as Mr. Merrill  but I  thought the                                                                    
     committee  should  know  that  the  retired  crime  lab                                                                    
     director  Beheim was  the original  origin of  this and                                                                    
     strongly is  in favor  of passing this  legislation and                                                                    
     the   other   accompanying  whistleblower   legislation                                                                    
     that's in the Policy Forum  whitepaper.  Thank you very                                                                    
     much.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX held public testimony open.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:12:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY clarified  for the  record  the issue  of the  federal                                                               
False Claims Act  in Medicaid and explained there is  a reason to                                                               
have a  state false  claims act even  when Medicaid  is involved.                                                               
She  further explained  that if  the  state had  an approved  and                                                               
federally certified Alaska False Claims  Act, the State of Alaska                                                               
would receive  a ten percentage  point swing for Alaska  from the                                                               
federal  government for  monies recovered  under its  state false                                                               
claims act, a 55/45 percent axle.   She expressed that the record                                                               
should be  clear that the fact  that the federal act  would allow                                                               
the state to  pursue Medicaid claims under that  federal act, the                                                               
state act has a direct benefit to the State of Alaska.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:13:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  noted that  there are fraud  occasions now                                                               
and asked whether any federal  monies are currently available for                                                               
that which the state has pursued.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY responded  that the state has  participated in multiple                                                               
class actions related to Medicaid  and Medicaid fraud through the                                                               
Consumer Protection  Section, Medicaid Fraud Control  Unit of the                                                               
Department of Law (DOL).                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  asked whether there is  federal money that                                                               
helps the state in those fraud investigations now.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY answered  that if  the action  is prosecuted  or dealt                                                               
with through  the Medicaid  Fraud Control  Unit there  is federal                                                               
funding that pays  for the attorneys and  investigators that work                                                               
on those  cases and  they provide  an "administrative  match" and                                                               
they  are funded  at 75  percent  federal dollars  to 25  percent                                                               
state dollars.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:15:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY  MEADE, General  Counsel, Administrative  Staff, Office  of                                                               
the Administrative Director, Alaska  Court System (ACS), said the                                                               
record  should be  clear that  the Alaska  Court System  is still                                                               
looking at the impact  HB 347 may have on the  court system.  She                                                               
noted that the Department of  Law (DOL) provided an indeterminate                                                               
fiscal note on  the grounds that they are unclear  as to how many                                                               
cases this  might generate.   There is some expectation  that the                                                               
cases  it  does  generate  will  be  mostly  by  self-represented                                                               
parties.  She  offered that this is a policy  call and should the                                                               
legislature  pass the  bill, the  court  system will  be able  to                                                               
implement it.   She advised  that she spoke  to the staff  of the                                                               
sponsor regarding  the unusual procedures  in the bill,  and that                                                               
perhaps it isn't  quite as stylized to what is  typically done in                                                               
Alaska as  it could be.   It is unclear  how a complaint  will be                                                               
filed with  the court  in-camera and then  remain under  seal for                                                               
60-days  because  currently  there  are  no  procedures  set  up,                                                               
although, she noted,  the court system could  develop a procedure                                                               
if  it  becomes  law.    She suggested  that  it  could  be  more                                                               
efficient  and  effective  that   the  complaints  are  delivered                                                               
directly  to the  attorney general's  office  without having  the                                                               
court more  or less  be the babysitter  for those  complaints for                                                               
60-days  until the  attorney general  decides  what to  do.   She                                                               
noted it  is something  her office  will work  out and  she looks                                                               
forward to continuing to work with the sponsor's office.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:16:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  asked why  Ms.  Meade  thought  that most  of  the                                                               
complaints will be brought by pro per plaintiffs.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  opined that  if the complaints  or claims  have merit,                                                               
the attorney general's office would  be inclined to take the case                                                               
and pursue the  case.  With regard to oil  companies, she opined,                                                               
the  Department  of Revenue  routinely  audits  and the  attorney                                                               
general's office  pursues the  audit on  every single  tax return                                                               
the oil  companies file.   She referred  to Medicaid and  said it                                                               
appears  that  if the  attorney  general  was  told there  was  a                                                               
problem with a doctor falsely  making Medicaid claims against the                                                               
state, the  attorney general would  pursue it.   It is  true that                                                               
this is  for those cases  that the  attorney general opts  not to                                                               
pursue either because  it doesn't think there  is enough evidence                                                               
to  win,  or alternatively,  it  doesn't  have the  resources  to                                                               
pursue every  single case.  She  offered that some of  these will                                                               
be brought by  self-represented people whether there is  a lot of                                                               
basis for them, or maybe not.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:18:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  referred to the  incentive piece and  asked whether                                                               
Ms. Meade  believes this would  bring out employees  of companies                                                               
who see  something legitimately wrong  in their companies.   Yet,                                                               
without the bill the employees  might ask themselves whether they                                                               
really want  to step forward.   Although, if they see  there is a                                                               
monetary reward  to it they might  take that chance, and  if it's                                                               
legitimate they will find an attorney.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  agreed, and  said that  the intent of  the bill  is to                                                               
help people  who witness legitimate  fraud recover the  funds for                                                               
the state and  receive a reward.  She  related that, particularly                                                               
in  this  state, there  are  a  high number  of  self-represented                                                               
litigants  and  under  this bill  self-represented  people  could                                                               
pursue claims  that the attorney general's  office determines are                                                               
not pursuable.   Again, she said, this is  the committee's policy                                                               
call  and  those  are  some  of the  questions  she  has  as  she                                                               
determines how this bill will affect the court system.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:19:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked why the claims would be filed in-camera.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE responded that that is  exactly her question.  The bill                                                               
reads that the complaint shall  be filed with the court in-camera                                                               
and  remain under  seal with  the court  holding it  for 60-days,                                                               
which  is  not  the  typical  procedure for  a  complaint.    She                                                               
expressed that  she was  unsure what the  judge would  be looking                                                               
for  in the  in-camera review  to  decide whether  the next  step                                                               
should  be  taken  or  not.     Again,  she  related,  those  are                                                               
procedural  issues that  could  perhaps be  worked  out with  the                                                               
sponsor and possibly a different procedure could be developed.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:20:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted there  is the  potential of  pro per                                                               
claims  being  brought,  but  isn't another  one  of  the  likely                                                               
consequences of  having a false claims  act in the state  is that                                                               
there will be some group of  law firms that become specialists in                                                               
bringing  these  claims  because  that is  his  impression  on  a                                                               
national level.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  expressed that she  would be speculating and  does not                                                               
know the consequences of false claims acts in other states.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:21:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  asked Representative Kreiss-Tomkins whether  he can                                                               
advise the committee as to why the bill reads filing in-camera.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  deferred  to  Ms.  Kraly  or  Mr.                                                               
Magdanz, and  opined that the preview  is to be certified  by the                                                               
federal government  as a false claims  act on the state  level in                                                               
order to receive enhanced recovery  for Medicaid fraud.  He asked                                                               
the witnesses whether this language  is different from what is in                                                               
the Medicaid reform bill in the Senate.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:22:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  referred to the  in-camera and under  seal requirement                                                               
in this  bill and opined  that there  is an under  seal provision                                                               
language in  SB 74,  but she  needed to  confirm.   She explained                                                               
that  the Office  of  the Inspector  General  has guidelines  for                                                               
purposes  of certifying  a  Medicaid False  Claims  Act and  that                                                               
language  is required  to  be a  state act  in  order to  receive                                                               
certification,  especially  as  to  it being  under  seal.    The                                                               
purpose of the in-camera provision  is to allow the Department of                                                               
Law to  investigate the  merits of the  claim without  the person                                                               
who  committed the  alleged false  claims being  served with  the                                                               
complaint  which,  she  noted,  goes  back  to  the  question  of                                                               
protecting against  frivolous complaints.  Normally,  a complaint                                                               
is filed, the defendant is  served, and answers happen.  Whereas,                                                               
in this bill,  the complaint is filed in-camera,  under seal, and                                                               
is  confidential;  therefore,  the  Department  of  Law  has  the                                                               
ability  to  properly  investigate  the claim  to  determine  the                                                               
merits  of the  claim  and  to avoid  the  frivolous lawsuits  or                                                               
inappropriate prosecution  of the  claim before it  is determined                                                               
necessary  to  proceed.    It  is  a  procedural  safeguard,  she                                                               
described,  to  avoid individuals  who  may  be alleged  to  have                                                               
committed frauds or false claims  from having to defend something                                                               
before it is actually proven that  it's a meritorious claim.  She                                                               
reiterated that  it is a  procedural safeguard built into  all of                                                               
the false  claims she reviewed  while working on the  other bill,                                                               
and then she reviewed this bill this past week.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:24:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX questioned whether it  would be just the opposite by                                                               
allowing someone  to be investigated  without their  knowledge of                                                               
an investigation.   She  said she  does not  see it  as something                                                               
that is  going to safeguard  the interests of the  defendant, but                                                               
rather  something that  allows a  person to  file a  suit against                                                               
another  person  and investigate  that  suit  without them  being                                                               
aware of it.   She added that it is not  necessarily a bad thing,                                                               
but the reasoning.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY agreed that there  is truth to Chair LeDoux's statement                                                               
and some  accuracy to what  Ms. Kraly said  as well.   She opined                                                               
that in  order to  investigate the claim,  the Department  of Law                                                               
has the ability to conduct  discovery and seek subpoenas.  Absent                                                               
an open  court file,  she said  she was not  sure how  it happens                                                               
under the  construction of  the False  Claims Act.   It  would be                                                               
necessary to  have a court case  number and a case  to proceed in                                                               
order  to get  a subpoena  and  do those  sorts of  things.   She                                                               
opined that it is a procedural  safeguard and she could look into                                                               
it further, but generally those  are the protections that are out                                                               
there to alleviate  some of those issues.   Further, she related,                                                               
it is  a requirement  for federal  certification in  false claims                                                               
for Medicaid purposes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:25:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER asked  whether  the in-camera  requirement                                                               
was to protect health records.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  KRALY  answered  that  there  could  be  other  confidential                                                               
proprietary tax  information.   When filed  under seal,  there is                                                               
limited access of information not  allowed to be shared elsewhere                                                               
under an  administrative rule to  court personnel, she said.   It                                                               
would protect  not just health information  but potentially other                                                               
business information that would be proprietary in nature.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  asked the  number  of  qui tam  cases  in                                                               
Alaska she is aware of.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY  answered that she  is not familiar with  whether there                                                               
are active cases currently, but  she could provide information to                                                               
the  committee  regarding  the  number of  cases  the  state  has                                                               
participated in  on the federal  level and  information regarding                                                               
recoveries.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:26:53 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   referred  to   the  60-day   period  and                                                               
commented  that it  has been  part of  federal law  since it  was                                                               
enacted, just after the Civil War,  and he opined that it relates                                                               
to  all of  the  things being  discussed and  not  being able  to                                                               
investigate  the  claim  before  the  evidence  goes  away.    He                                                               
surmised  there are  the issues  of how  the government  gets its                                                               
investigation together,  and how  the investigation  is performed                                                               
before the party finds out they  are being investigated.  He said                                                               
he thought that it may  have to do with whistleblower protections                                                               
in that  if someone  comes forward and  the government  elects to                                                               
take on the  lawsuit, the complaining party  has more protections                                                               
than they might if they were going solo.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRALY noted those were excellent points.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:28:44 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  said that, although,  the language may be  required by                                                               
federal law, Alaska  has definite definitions for  what is "under                                                               
seal" and what  is "confidential."  She  explained that documents                                                               
filed "under  seal" are available  solely to the  judge, whereas,                                                               
documents filed  "confidential" are  available to the  judge, the                                                               
judge's  assistant,  and  court  employees  for  case  processing                                                               
purposes.  Ms. Meade reiterated that  she would like to work with                                                               
the  sponsor regarding  possible language  that documents  can be                                                               
filed confidentially,  which is different  than under seal.   She                                                               
noted that  she continues  to wonder what  filing with  the court                                                               
in-camera means, and they will work on that.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
[HB 347 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
        HB 205-CRIMINAL LAW/PROCEDURE; DRIV LIC; PUB AID                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:30:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX announced  that the next order of  business would be                                                               
HOUSE BILL  NO. 205, "An  Act relating to conditions  of release;                                                               
relating to community  work service; relating to  credit toward a                                                               
sentence  of imprisonment  for certain  persons under  electronic                                                               
monitoring;   relating   to   the   restoration   under   certain                                                               
circumstances  of an  administratively revoked  driver's license,                                                               
privilege to drive, or privilege  to obtain a license; allowing a                                                               
reduction  of  penalties  for offenders  successfully  completing                                                               
court-  ordered  treatment  programs  for  persons  convicted  of                                                               
driving  under  the  influence;  relating  to  termination  of  a                                                               
revocation of  a driver's license;  relating to restoration  of a                                                               
driver's  license;  relating  to  credits toward  a  sentence  of                                                               
imprisonment,  to  good time  deductions,  and  to providing  for                                                               
earned  good time  deductions for  prisoners;  relating to  early                                                               
termination  of probation  and reduction  of  probation for  good                                                               
conduct; relating  to the  rights of  crime victims;  relating to                                                               
the disqualification of persons  convicted of certain felony drug                                                               
offenses  from  participation in  the  food  stamp and  temporary                                                               
assistance   programs;  relating   to   probation;  relating   to                                                               
mitigating   factors;   relating   to  treatment   programs   for                                                               
prisoners;  relating  to  the  duties   of  the  commissioner  of                                                               
corrections;  amending   Rule  32,   Alaska  Rules   of  Criminal                                                               
Procedure; and providing for an effective date."                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
[Before  the House  Judiciary Standing  Committee  was CSHB  205,                                                               
labeled 29-LS0896\H, adopted 3/14/16.]                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
[Due  to  their  length,  some amendments  discussed  or  adopted                                                               
during the meeting of HB 205 are  found at the end of the minutes                                                               
for  HB 205.   Shorter  amendments are  included within  the main                                                               
text.]                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX said  the committee will hear amendments  to HB 205,                                                               
and  advised  that  the  committee   will  begin  with  [pending]                                                               
conceptual language for Amendment 9 [from the 4/6/16 meeting].                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
2:30:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  advised the  committee that  Representative Millett                                                               
provided  revised  language  for   Conceptual  Amendment  9,  and                                                               
Representative  Millett had  decided  to withdraw  her motion  to                                                               
adopt Conceptual Amendment 9.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
2:30:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 2:30 to 2:33 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:33:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX moved to adopt Amendment 9[A].                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER objected  for purposes  of discussion  and                                                               
clarified that the  amendment is labeled Version  H.26, but there                                                               
is red print and suggested naming it "Amendment 9A."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX moved  to adopt  Amendment  9A.   [Amendment 9A  is                                                               
provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:33:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GRACE  ABBOTT,  Staff,  Representative Charisse  Millett,  Alaska                                                               
State  Legislature,   offered  to   recap  the   prior  hearing's                                                               
discussion  of   Amendment  9,  and   turned  to  [Sec.   62.  AS                                                               
12.55.027(f)(3),  page   1,  beginning  line   11].     She  said                                                               
subsection  (3) of  the amendment  requires  notification of  the                                                             
court or probation  officer of violations of  conditions of bail,                                                               
release, or probation  in the event someone  violated those while                                                               
in  their   treatment  program.     The  prior   discussion,  she                                                               
explained,  was  that,  perhaps,   that  language  would  inhibit                                                               
operations  of the  treatment program  and potentially  limit its                                                               
effectiveness.   She  advised language  was then  brought to  the                                                               
sponsor  such  that  the  treatment   program  should  alert  the                                                               
pretrial services office  or probation officers if  the person is                                                               
discharged  from  the  program   for  noncompliance.    She  said                                                               
[Amendment  9A] solves  two problems,  one  that the  information                                                               
need not  lay with the  court as it  would be more  effective and                                                               
swifter for the pretrial services  office or probation officer to                                                               
know that a person has  been discharged.  Thereby, she explained,                                                               
allowing them  to serve  in a capacity  of enforcing  their terms                                                               
and possibly remanding  the person.  It would  allow an effective                                                               
definition of  what is necessary  to alert the  pretrial services                                                               
office or probation officer, she further explained.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:35:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
objection, Amendment 9A was adopted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
2:36:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  moved to  adopt Amendment 10,  Version 29-                                                               
LS0896\H.69,  Gardner,  4/6/16,  as  follows:  [Amendment  10  is                                                               
provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
2:36:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   noted  that  a  sponsor   statement  for                                                               
Amendment 10  was provided to  the committee.  He  explained that                                                               
for  a quarter  of  a  century the  question  of  time served  in                                                               
treatment was  initially defined  in Nygren  v. State  of Alaska,                                                             
[658  P.2d 141  (1983)],  and that  the  definition worked  quite                                                               
well.   Over time there was  an effort by the  legislature to try                                                               
to  write Nygren  into  statutes and  then  discovered that  they                                                             
created a more restrictive definition under Nygren.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX asked  Representative Claman  to explain  Nygren to                                                             
the public.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:37:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN explained  that Nygren  is a  lawsuit that                                                             
provided that  a person who  went into alcohol or  drug treatment                                                               
before they  went to trial  and before they were  convicted, they                                                               
would  receive credit  for their  time in  the treatment  program                                                               
that would count  toward their time in jail.   The general theory                                                               
was that someone  with an alcohol or drug problem,  which is much                                                               
of the  focus of HB 205,  would receive treatment and  they would                                                               
be  less   likely  to  reoffend   if  they  had   the  treatment.                                                               
Therefore, rather  than have  someone in  jail and  not receiving                                                               
treatment, this  was a means to  encourage people to go  into in-                                                               
patient treatment settings that  were fairly restrictive on their                                                               
behavior while they  were in treatment.  In the  event the person                                                               
completed their  treatment and later  pled guilty to  the charge,                                                               
the judge  would give them credit  for that time.   Basically, he                                                               
explained, legislative  efforts to write  a statute that  was the                                                               
same thing as  what the court determined in Nygren  turned out to                                                             
make it  harder for people to  receive credit for time  served in                                                               
treatment  than   they  were  getting  under   the  Nygren  case.                                                             
Subsequent to discussions last year  with Deputy Attorney General                                                               
Rick Svobodny,  this amendment is an  effort to bring in  a means                                                               
more  like the  Nygren situation,  wherein the  courts have  more                                                             
discretion  in  determining  what  is  an  appropriate  treatment                                                               
program.   He  noted it  still has  fairly strict  guidelines and                                                               
follows  the  court system  tradition,  but  also recognizes  the                                                               
changing  times  with  electronic   monitoring  and  advances  in                                                               
treatment  programs.   He described  it as  a means  to give  the                                                               
courts  discretion on  credit  for time  in  a treatment  program                                                               
which,  he  commented, is  the  spirit  of the  criminal  justice                                                               
reform.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:39:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN responded  to Chair LeDoux that  he was not                                                               
aware of anyone that would like to testify on Amendment 10.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX noted  that several  commissioners from  the Alaska                                                               
Criminal Justice Reform Commission are  in the audience and asked                                                               
whether they would like to offer testimony.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:40:34 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
QUINLAN  STEINER,  Director,   Central  Office,  Public  Defender                                                               
Agency (PDA), Department of Administration  (DOA), said he is the                                                               
state's public defender and is  also a commissioner on the Alaska                                                               
Criminal  Justice  Reform  Commission.    He  expressed  concerns                                                               
regarding Amendment 10 and  the potential unintended consequences                                                               
that may  result.   He pointed  out that  the Nygren  opinion set                                                             
forth a body  of case law and resulting decisions  by trial court                                                               
judges that  resulted in arbitrary  application of the  case law.                                                               
Therefore, some individuals would  receive credit for the program                                                               
and another  individual in the  same program, following  the same                                                               
conditions, would not  receive credit from a  different judge due                                                               
to the loose  standards applicable under the  law.  Subsequently,                                                               
a more  narrow definition  was passed by  the legislature  and it                                                               
substantially restricted the availability  of credit for programs                                                               
and  participation.    Subsequent  to the  McKinley  v  State  of                                                             
Alaska,  Case No.  2357 (AK  Ct.  App., May.  4, 2012)  decision,                                                             
which evaluated that  piece of legislation, it  was changed again                                                               
to open it up a little bit  more.  Consequently, it was a strict,                                                               
formulaic application of this concept  that reduced the disparity                                                               
between applications  amongst judges.   He said that  Amendment 9                                                               
takes that a  little bit further by opening up  the definition of                                                               
"treatment program" to  not only be substance  abuse treatment or                                                               
mental   health  treatment,   but  anything   that  may   address                                                               
criminogenic  needs.   Although  not  defined,  he said  it  does                                                               
appear  to   open  up  that  definition   while  maintaining  the                                                               
structure.   One  of his  concerns, and  what the  committee must                                                               
weigh, is  the narrowness that  exists in  the bill and  how that                                                               
will promote  uniform application, and uniform  predictability of                                                               
people getting  credit, and then  something that is a  little bit                                                               
more  open  that  might result  in  disparities  in  application,                                                               
although, a greater opportunity to receive credit, he opined.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:42:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that  as a member  of the  Alaska Criminal                                                               
Justice Reform Commission  he would oppose the  amendment, but as                                                               
a public defender he might like it.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER responded that in  either position he is not opposing                                                               
or promoting the  legislation.  He indicated he  was pointing out                                                               
his concerns and  to make certain the  committee understands what                                                               
the  potential  consequences  are  and weigh  the  value  of  the                                                               
expansion versus the potential disparity  in the application that                                                               
might occur.   He  pointed out  that the  goal is  appropriate to                                                               
weigh the expansion, but he is not taking a position on it.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:43:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  noted  that  some of  the  challenges  in                                                               
Anchorage,  specifically,  both with  the  statute  and with  the                                                               
Nygren  line of  cases before  the statute  was amended,  is that                                                             
Judge A would approve a  particular program for credit, and Judge                                                               
B would  not approve  that program  for credit,  and that  it was                                                               
frustrating  for defense  attorneys  and prosecutors.   He  asked                                                               
whether that was a fair description of the situation.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER answered in the affirmative.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted that some  of the efforts  were made                                                               
to try to get the judges all ruling in the same manner.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  asked whether  Representative Claman  was discussing                                                               
the  legislation  that  occurred,  or  just  defense  efforts  to                                                               
litigate the issues.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  clarified  that  he  was  discussing  the                                                               
legislation.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
2:44:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER opined that the  subsequent legislation was billed as                                                               
a codification of  a decision that came later, but  it turned out                                                               
to  be  significantly more  restrictive  on  the Nygren  line  of                                                             
cases.   It severely restricted  its use, he  said.  A  few years                                                               
ago, he  related, the legislature  recognized that and  opened it                                                               
back  up to  be  more in  line  with the  Nygren  line of  cases.                                                             
Although, he  commented, it  is still  more restrictive  than the                                                               
Nygren line of cases, but what  was an advantage to what happened                                                             
was that there  was less disparity.  He extended  that within the                                                               
current  Amendment 9,  the amendment  opens it  up a  bit further                                                               
without  creating disparity  because  the structure  exists.   He                                                               
explained  it is  the structure  of  requirements that  currently                                                               
exists that  judges are comfortable  with the  legislative intent                                                               
that they grant  credit if a person fits  the certain parameters.                                                               
Wherein, that  didn't exist with  Nygren in that it  wasn't clear                                                             
that the credit  should be granted, and  there wasn't legislative                                                               
intent pre-legislation, he said.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  surmised, in terms of  the current amended                                                               
statute,  it  provides  less grounds  for  receiving  credit  for                                                               
treatment than existed under the Nygren line of cases.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:46:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN commented  that if the goal  was to improve                                                               
opportunities  for people  to receive  credit for  treatment, and                                                               
the  committee  is trying  to  expand  those opportunities,  this                                                               
amendment helps do that.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  responded correct, and  he added that  the amendment                                                               
would allow  people to argue  for credit in more  situations than                                                               
exist under the current statutory scheme.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN surmised,  ultimately, it  would be  up to                                                               
the judge's  discretion, but there  would also be the  history of                                                               
others that had received credit for different programs.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER answered  that  the histories  would  exist, but  he                                                               
anticipated that the disparities would increase over time.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
2:47:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN  referred   to   the  disparity   between                                                               
different judges  and asked whether  the issue of  programs being                                                               
approved with one  judge doing one thing and  another judge doing                                                               
something else, and  ask where it has primarily been  an issue in                                                               
Anchorage and not other parts of the state.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER responded that he  could not answer that question but                                                               
he could try to find out.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN said,  sitting here  today and  discussing                                                               
the  disparity about  the application  of the  Nygren credit,  he                                                             
asked  whether that's  only been  an issue  in Anchorage  and not                                                               
elsewhere.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  opined that  he couldn't  say for  sure, but  it was                                                               
primarily  in  Anchorage.   There  are  more criminal  judges  in                                                               
Anchorage and  that is where  the disparities  occurred, whereas,                                                               
in  smaller jurisdictions  there  may  only be  one  judge so  it                                                               
wouldn't occur, he said.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
2:48:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked whether  he agreed  that one  of the                                                               
advantages of  the approach proposed  in Amendment 10  would give                                                               
judges in  rural Alaska more  flexibility to  determine treatment                                                               
programs that  may work well  in rural areas.   Whereas, strictly                                                               
following  things  that  may  work in  Anchorage  might  cause  a                                                               
disparate  influence  in trying  to  get  people into  successful                                                               
treatment living in rural Alaska, he asked.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER agreed.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN surmised that Amendment  10 is a good thing                                                               
for defendants in rural settings.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER opined that it would provide more latitude.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:49:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER hesitated because he  did not want to be in                                                               
the position  of speaking for a  judge, but he recalled  that the                                                               
two judges on  the commission favored the narrower  approach.  He                                                               
noted  that  he could  not  recall  anything specific  and  asked                                                               
whether Mr. Steiner could recall.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER responded that he  could not recall the discussion on                                                               
Nygren,  or   whether  or  not   disparity  was  an   issue  they                                                             
particularly grappled with.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
2:50:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
GREG RAZO,  Chair, Alaska  Criminal Justice  Commission, referred                                                               
to Amendment  10, and said it  was not an issue  that came before                                                               
the Alaska Criminal Justice Commission.   He remarked that all of                                                               
the recommendations  from the commission went  through a rigorous                                                               
process  of data  gathering, policy  research,  and are  evidence                                                               
based.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO noted  that as the committee reviews  and possibly moves                                                               
the amendments forward, to consider  whether that amendment would                                                               
withstand the  test of  determining what the  criminal law  is in                                                               
Alaska,  and whether  there was  enough evidence  to support  the                                                               
change.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
2:52:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KELLER  agreed,   and  he   said  he   has  been                                                               
uncomfortable also, but the committee  has the issue of receiving                                                               
the evidence within  the timeframe of the  session, and requested                                                               
his assistance.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO said  the commission is certainly not  finished with its                                                               
work under its original charter under  Senate Bill 64.  Under the                                                               
current proposals before the legislature,  there is an ability to                                                               
extend the duties and length  of time the commission works which,                                                               
he  commented,  is an  important  oversight  function should  the                                                               
crime bill  pass.   For all  of the good  ideas presented  to the                                                               
House of Representatives  and the Senate, the  commission has the                                                               
ability  to  perform  research   with  the  technical  assistance                                                               
necessary.  In moving forward,  the commission has the benefit of                                                               
the "Results First  Initiative," and the data  gathering that has                                                               
been significantly  improved over the  period of time  the Alaska                                                               
Criminal Justice Commission  has been working.  In  the event the                                                               
House  Judiciary Standing  Committee has  issues with  a proposed                                                               
amendment,  he suggested  tasking it  to the  commission to  take                                                               
under  consideration.    The commission  will  then  provide  the                                                               
committee  with  a  policy recommendation  based  upon  evidence,                                                               
research, and study, he said.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
2:53:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX   extended  that  the  commission   can  provide  a                                                               
recommendation, but  there are certain things  the commission did                                                               
not provide  recommendations on because there  wasn't necessarily                                                               
a consensus.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  responded, at the  end of  the report there  were items                                                               
that would  provide for additional savings  and additional public                                                               
safety  considerations.   He explained  they  were not  consensus                                                               
recommendations  but  rather  majority recommendations  and  were                                                               
presented  simply  for an  informational  purposes.   The  policy                                                               
recommendations were consensus and unanimous, he said.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX surmised  that the  commission would  probably like                                                               
this bill passed with the  exact recommendations that came out of                                                               
the commission.   Although, political  reality indicates  that it                                                               
isn't going to happen exactly  like that because legislators like                                                               
to put their hands on things, she commented.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO related that all  of the commissioners worked incredibly                                                               
hard,  based   upon  their  education   and  experience   on  the                                                               
recommendations,  and  the commission  does  not  comment on  the                                                               
pending  legislation,  it simply  explains  the  process and  its                                                               
recommendations.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
2:55:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE    CLAMAN   asked    whether   the    commission's                                                               
recommendations try  to give judges  more flexibility  in dealing                                                               
with substance and alcohol abuse  issues particularly with regard                                                               
to non-violent offenders, and whether  Amendment 10 is consistent                                                               
with those approaches.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
2:55:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  said  he  does  not  necessarily  agree  there  was  a                                                               
significant  focus  on  increased judicial  discretion,  in  that                                                               
their goal  was to  offer uniformity in  how criminal  justice is                                                               
applied  across the  State of  Alaska.   The commission  reviewed                                                               
research that  showed the origins  of the  presumptive sentencing                                                               
law,  for  example,  and  whether  there  were  disparities  that                                                               
resulted post-presumptive  sentencing and  before pre-presumptive                                                               
sentencing.  Issues such as,  determining whether the court, with                                                               
discretion, would have such significant  disparities there is the                                                               
potential for racial  bias, for example.  He  explained those are                                                               
factors  the commission  reviewed, and  that the  recommendations                                                               
show that a uniformity in approach  that is fair, just, and based                                                               
upon strong evidence, is the best public policy.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO, in response to  Representative Claman's second question                                                               
of  whether Amendment  10 is  consistent  with the  goals of  the                                                               
commission,  stated  that  since  the commission  didn't  take  a                                                               
position  on  this he  would  speak  from  experience and  as  an                                                               
individual.    He  said  that   generally  the  ability  to  give                                                               
appropriate good  time credit  for legitimate  treatment programs                                                               
is very  important, and it  is actually an incentive  for someone                                                               
facing their  drug and alcohol  problem to immediately  deal with                                                               
that.   He opined it is  consistent, and further opined  that the                                                               
risk based  approach identifies those  things immediately  with a                                                               
pre-trial   screening   substance   abuse   process   that   upon                                                               
examination identifies a  problem, and they are  assigned to that                                                               
problem.    In the  event  the  person completes  the  corrective                                                               
program  related to  that  assignment  successfully, they  should                                                               
receive credit  for that.   Whether this bill actually  says that                                                               
or  not,  he does  not  have  an opinion.    He  referred to  the                                                               
previous Amendment 9[A] which  deals specifically with treatment,                                                               
this amendment seems to take  out the word treatment and broadens                                                               
...                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
2:58:58 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN interjected  that the  amendments must  be                                                               
viewed  in  combination  because "Amendment  10  recognizes  that                                                               
Amendment 9 would be part."                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  said  that  that  was  the  best  answer  he  had  for                                                               
Representative Claman.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  asked whether any other  commissioners had thoughts                                                               
on this  amendment, hearing no  response she  suggested Amendment                                                               
10 be set aside.                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX set Amendment 10 aside.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:00:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   LEDOUX  moved   to  adopt   Amendment  11,   Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.23, Martin/Gardner, 3/28/16, as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 82, line 13, following "plan":                                                                                        
          Insert "receives a positive recommendation from                                                                       
     the supervisor of the prisoner's treatment program"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:00:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  explained  that Amendment  11  addresses  a  concern                                                               
discussed  in  committee  regarding the  recommendation  for  sex                                                               
offenders.  In  the event sex offenders  undergo treatment, while                                                               
incarcerated, that the  completion of the treatment  be a trigger                                                               
for them to receive good time,  which is usually one-third off of                                                               
their sentence.   Amendment 11  offers that upon  completing that                                                               
treatment, before the good time  would be applied they would also                                                               
need  a  positive  recommendation  from  the  supervisor  of  the                                                               
prisoner's  treatment program.    Members of  the committee  have                                                               
expressed  concern  with  the  manner  in  which  the  successful                                                               
completion  of treatment  was  evaluated, and  whether  it was  a                                                               
participation grade  wherein an inmate  had undergone all  of the                                                               
steps of  treatment, yet, performed as  substandard participants.                                                               
She continued,  no one would  know better than the  supervisor of                                                               
the treatment  program whether  or not  progress was  made, other                                                               
than the  offender.   She said  Amendment 11  aims to  allow that                                                               
additional  mechanism and  allow  the supervisor  to offer  human                                                               
input as  to whether or  not progress  was made and  whether this                                                               
person should be eligible for good time.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX removed her objection.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected as he  would like to hear from Mr.                                                               
Steiner.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:02:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN offered  to  make  a conceptual  amendment                                                               
within the technical  language and suggested that  the word "and"                                                               
be inserted before the word "receives" for it to read properly.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX referred to [Sec.  136. AS 33.20.010, page 82, lines                                                               
12-13], which read:                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
            (d) ... until the prisoner completes the                                                                            
     treatment requirements in the prisoner's case plan.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX then included the  language from Amendment 11, [line                                                               
13] and the conceptual amendment, which would read:                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
        and receives a positive recommendation from the                                                                         
     supervisor of the prisoner's treatment program.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  suggested  listening to  Mr.  Steiner's  testimony                                                               
first.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:03:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER offered concern regarding  the idea of completion and                                                               
receiving good  time credit because the  carrot was automatically                                                               
when  the person  had completed  their treatment  plan, and  this                                                               
would inject  some discretion into  that process.  He  noted that                                                               
it would  undermine its effectiveness  and because it  would rest                                                               
on a [supervisor]  approving a person, they  would essentially be                                                               
approving  them for  release.   He continued  that the  weight of                                                               
that decision  on one  single person  would undermine  its actual                                                               
application because  there would  be few  people willing  to take                                                               
that responsibility rather  than writing a structure  where it is                                                               
automatic.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:04:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX expressed concern about  the person that just showed                                                               
up so  all of the boxes  could be checked, but  the person really                                                               
didn't have their heart into it, so to speak.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER responded  that the data revealed  that completion of                                                               
treatment  had a  positive  effect, and  the  commission did  not                                                               
evaluate any  sort of discretionary  weight as to whether  or not                                                               
someone's heart  was in it.   He said he understands  the concern                                                               
but  when  the  commission  looked  at it,  it  was  simply  that                                                               
completion of treatment results in  reductions in recidivism.  He                                                               
pointed out  that Amendment 11  injects a  discretionary decision                                                               
and the  commission did not  review whether or  not discretionary                                                               
decisions were accurate.   He related that what is  at stake here                                                               
is whether  or not  the decision  is even  accurate in  the first                                                               
place, and whether someone is  willing to take the responsibility                                                               
for  making  the  discretionary   decision  that  the  person  is                                                               
essentially treated and ready to go out into the community.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:05:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  offered  that he  shares  Chair  LeDoux's                                                               
concern in  that if  all someone has  to do is  check the  box it                                                               
leaves no  room for someone  working in the treatment  program to                                                               
say the  inmate is  faking it.   He remarked  that the  risks are                                                               
just  as high  when  all the  boxes have  been  checked but  [the                                                               
supervisor] thinks  this person is  just as [likely]  to reoffend                                                               
as they were before starting the program.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER noted  he could not specifically respond  to how that                                                               
is evaluated  in the program,  that the individual  running these                                                               
programs  may   be  able  to   advise  whether  or   not  someone                                                               
successfully completes their active  participation and whether or                                                               
not it is substantial, is factored in.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  noted that she  receives a medal  for participation                                                               
when  running a  race  that she  didn't win.    Simply because  a                                                               
person  is  in  a  treatment  program does  not  mean  they  have                                                               
successfully  completed the  treatment program  and, she  pointed                                                               
out,  the  statute  currently  reads   that  until  the  prisoner                                                               
completes the  treatment requirements within the  prisoner's case                                                               
plan -- it doesn't even read "successfully" completes.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER answered  that the  Department of  Corrections (DOC)                                                               
requested the  word "successfully"  be removed because  it didn't                                                               
want  to  label individuals  treated.    He reiterated  that  the                                                               
commission  reviewed the  question of  completion of  the program                                                               
and how that related to reductions in recidivism.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:07:48 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN asked  the length  of the  treatment program                                                               
and  whether there  are there  different  treatment programs  for                                                               
different types of sex offences.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER  responded that  he  is  not  the authority  on  the                                                               
treatment programs, but knows  that in-custody treatment programs                                                               
exist  in two  locations.   He  said he  does not  know how  they                                                               
accommodate different convictions for  different people and he is                                                               
not sure how they are distinguished.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  referred to  the program, and  asked whether                                                               
the discussion is  regarding weeks, months, or  years, or whether                                                               
there is such a thing as a typical offense.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER reiterated  that he does not know the  answer to that                                                               
question, and opined  that it is a lengthy program  and DOC would                                                               
be able to answer that question.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN said  he would like to know the  answer as to                                                               
the length of  treatment programs, and he noted  that because the                                                               
variety of sex  offenses are so broad that surely  there would be                                                               
different types of programs.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  advised that  her  staff  was  in the  process  of                                                               
contacting Laura Brooks.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:09:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:09 to 3:016 p.m.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:16:45 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
LAURA   BROOKS,  Health   Care  Administrator,   Office  of   the                                                               
Commissioner, Department  of Corrections  (DOC), advised  she was                                                               
available.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN  asked the length of  the treatment programs,                                                               
whether there are different treatment  programs for different sex                                                               
offenses,  and  whether  the treatment  programs  match  the  sex                                                               
offense.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROOKS  responded  that  different  programs  are  different                                                               
lengths.  The  program in the Lemon Creek  Correctional Center is                                                               
for the  state's highest risk  offenders and it is  anywhere from                                                               
24-36 months,  although, it may  be shorter if they  move through                                                               
their treatment  plan more quickly,  which is  rare or it  may be                                                               
extended  if  they are  not  making  progress  in treatment.    A                                                               
program  in  the  Palmer  Correctional  Center  is  18-24  months                                                               
because  the  program  is  tailored to  the  more  moderate  risk                                                               
offenders, and  there is a  program for women at  Hiland Mountain                                                               
Correctional Center that  is 18-24 months.  The  programs work to                                                               
identify specific needs  based upon a number of  things and their                                                               
offense  is  one  of  the   critical  factors  in  determining  a                                                               
treatment  plan.   She advised  that in  each of  DOC's programs,                                                               
every participant has an  individualized treatment plan developed                                                               
and  it  absolutely  takes  into account  the  type  of  offense,                                                               
whether it  is a sexual  assault of an  adult, sexual abuse  of a                                                               
minor, the circumstances around the  crime, the level of violence                                                               
involved  in  the crime,  and  a  host  of different  issues  are                                                               
analyzed  in  order for  the  treatment  provider to  tailor  the                                                               
treatment  plan  to  that  individual's  criminogenic  needs  and                                                               
specific sex offender offense.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  referred  to  an  Individualized  Education                                                               
Program (IEP) in  special education and asked whether  it is more                                                               
or less  that type  of program wherein  they analyze  the offense                                                               
and tailor  the program to  that offense so it  is individualized                                                               
and not five individuals in the same room with the same program.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS answered that Representative  Lynn was correct in that                                                               
it is  very similar to  an IEP and it  is not a  static treatment                                                               
plan.    She  offered  that   as  the  individuals  move  through                                                               
treatment,  if a  problem  comes up  such  as showing  aggression                                                               
toward  the  treatment provider,  their  treatment  goals may  be                                                               
adjusted  and certainly  some of  their homework  assignments and                                                               
change  the focus  in treatment  to  address those  issues.   The                                                               
treatment  plan,  although  developed  at the  beginning  of  the                                                               
program, is fluid  throughout the treatment to make  sure that as                                                               
the  offender's  behavior  changes, as  their  thinking  patterns                                                               
change for better or for  worse, that treatment plan adjusts with                                                               
them.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:20:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN referred to  the AA treatment program wherein                                                               
the first  thing a person  does is  state they are  an alcoholic,                                                               
and he  asked whether it works  in that manner for  this program.                                                               
For example, state they are  a sex offender, and acknowledge they                                                               
have a  problem.  He  further asked  whether they even  know they                                                               
have a problem.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS noted  that is a common question when  it comes to sex                                                               
offenders and  she expressed that,  generally, to  accept someone                                                               
into  DOC's program  they  cannot deny  that  they committed  the                                                               
crime and must acknowledge what  they did because that then opens                                                               
the door for them to  be more amenable to treatment, potentially.                                                               
Often,  she said,  it has  been noted  that once  they come  into                                                               
treatment they  still have a  huge amount of denial  with ability                                                               
to rationalize  most of the  behaviors around those crimes.   She                                                               
continued that a  sex offender has a  sophisticated denial system                                                               
and manner  of manipulating people  of which they attempt  to use                                                               
on their  treatment providers the  moment they walk in  the door.                                                               
A  12-step program,  such  as AA  or NA,  doesn't  come close  to                                                               
touching the amount of pathology  seen in sex offenders, which is                                                               
why  their   treatment  is  long,  intensive,   and  specifically                                                               
structured to the individual, she explained.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:22:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN referred  to the  proposed amendment  that                                                               
discusses   receiving   a   positive  recommendation   from   the                                                               
supervisor of  a sex offender  treatment program, and  opined the                                                               
department has concerns.   He asked the reason  for the concerns,                                                               
and  further   asked  whether  an  inmate   receives  a  positive                                                               
recommendations when the program is completed.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS opined  that the concern for a  treatment provider may                                                               
be  that even  though sex  offenders can  be considered  "program                                                               
complete"  there  may  be  some reluctance  to  give  a  positive                                                               
recommendation due  to the severe pathology  associated with this                                                               
population.    She  explained  that when  an  inmate  is  program                                                               
complete  they   have  gone  through  all   of  the  requirements                                                               
necessary to  complete the program,  reached their  goals, turned                                                               
in their  homework, said what  is needed  to be said,  and passed                                                               
their  polygraph.   She opined  that treatment  providers may  be                                                               
concerned about liability  and whether to say  anything more than                                                               
"this person is  treatment complete" because they  cannot say the                                                               
person  is cured.    The providers  will be  willing  to say  the                                                               
person has  completed the necessary  steps in treatment  but, she                                                               
warned the  committee that  it must be  careful when  asking them                                                               
for  a positive  recommendation because  that may  certainly mean                                                               
very different things to different people.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:24:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX interjected concern  because if a treatment provider                                                               
does not have enough trust in  their own treatment plan that they                                                               
are willing  to say  an offender  has successfully  completed the                                                               
plan, it sounds somewhat problematic.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS answered that the  treatment provider would absolutely                                                               
say the offender successfully  completed everything in treatment.                                                               
She  explained that  she  was responding  from  her own  previous                                                               
private practice  and that  she would  not be  willing to  give a                                                               
positive recommendation for a sex  offender.  Although, she said,                                                               
she would  say that  this person  had successfully  completed all                                                               
the steps of treatment.                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX interjected that, in  that case the offender is just                                                               
receiving the participation medal which doesn't mean anything.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS asked Chair LeDoux to repeat herself.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX mentioned  that Ms.  Brooks was  not online  at the                                                               
time  Chair LeDoux  offered the  scenario of  being a  runner and                                                               
receiving a medal  at the end of the race.   Except, she related,                                                               
the medal  didn't mean she was  a good and successful  runner, it                                                               
just  meant that  she  paid  her money  and  received her  medal.                                                               
Therefore, she  said, if the offender's  treatment provider isn't                                                               
even  able  to  say  they   are  giving  the  person  a  positive                                                               
recommendation, "I've got some real problems there."                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:27:00 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS  stated that she  does not disagree with  Chair LeDoux                                                               
and there  are treatment  providers who are  willing to  say this                                                               
person  "successfully completed  treatment," but  offered concern                                                               
that some providers wouldn't feel comfortable doing that.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX   interjected,  "Then   they'd  better   get  their                                                               
treatment programs in  order if they are  not feeling comfortable                                                               
doing that."   She equated it to a teacher  saying they are going                                                               
to pass  the student,  but the teacher  wouldn't say  the student                                                               
successfully completed the course work.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. BROOKS explained,  treatment providers may be  willing to say                                                               
the person  is better "but  to put  themselves out there  and say                                                               
this person  is no longer  going to  reoffend, I don't  know that                                                               
they all would be willing to say that."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX stressed  that  if the  treatment  provider is  not                                                               
willing  to say  it, she  doesn't  think the  offender should  be                                                               
released.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:28:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  referred  to  her  statement  that  while                                                               
providing sex  offender treatment  in private practice  she would                                                               
not have  wanted to be  in a place  of saying someone  was cured,                                                               
and  he noted  that currently  she is  a public  employee of  the                                                               
Department of  Corrections (DOC).   He pointed  out that  all the                                                               
committee is discussing  is "positive" and it  doesn't mean there                                                               
is any  guarantee that the  person will  never offend again.   He                                                               
asked whether, in the state context,  she would be willing to say                                                               
that this  is a  positive recommendation  on a  person completing                                                               
the treatment.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:29:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  BROOKS clarified  that she  was  referring to  all of  DOC's                                                               
treatment  providers  which  include a  number  of  practitioners                                                               
within the community.   She pointed out that  these providers are                                                               
providing sex offender treatment under  contract, that [DOC] is a                                                               
piece of  their practice, and  that they are cautious  about what                                                               
they are willing to say.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:30:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  noted that he  thinks about One  Flew Over                                                             
the Cuckoo's  Nest when listening  to Mr. Steiner's  concern that                                                             
everything is  put upon one  person who can  say yea or  nay, and                                                               
not  all  supervisors  of  treatment programs  are  going  to  be                                                               
created equal or trained equal and  have equal access to the risk                                                               
assessment tools.  He described it  as part of the horrendous job                                                               
as the  head of  the Department of  Corrections, and  opined that                                                               
the testimony is sincere and it rings a chime with him.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  pointed  out  that this  language  is  specific  and                                                               
purposeful in not  saying cured, and the amendment  is not asking                                                               
that a treatment  provider say the reoffender  will not reoffend.                                                               
She  noted that  the amendment  injects some  of that  discretion                                                               
that  exists  in  treatment.     She  continued  that  there  are                                                               
individual  cases, education  plans,  and  individual aspects  of                                                               
each person's case and that  the positive recommendation could be                                                               
that they have made progress and  were an active participant.  In                                                               
her  mind,  she offered,  that  would  be  deemed as  a  positive                                                               
recommendation and would not require  someone to put their career                                                               
or liability  at stake and  say this person will  never reoffend.                                                               
This  is not  a  difference between  someone  being released  and                                                               
someone never seeing  the light of day.  She  pointed out that it                                                               
is simply an award of good  time credit.  Therefore, an offender,                                                               
under this situation, who was  unable to complete treatment would                                                               
still potentially be eligible for  release, but they would not be                                                               
eligible for  the one-third good time  credit.  In the  event the                                                               
offender  was unable  to receive  the positive  recommendation it                                                               
would  allow for  more time  for  supervision and  more time  for                                                               
corrective action to be taken, she said.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  [referred   to  the  previous  discussion                                                               
regarding  the  addition  of  the  word  "and"  before  the  word                                                               
"receives",  on page  82,  line  13] and  moved  the adoption  of                                                               
Amendment  1  to  Amendment  11.     There  being  no  objection,                                                               
Amendment 1 to Amendment 11 was adopted.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
3:34:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  maintained his objection to  Amendment 11,                                                               
as amended.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Foster,  Claman,                                                               
Kreiss-Tomkins, and  LeDoux voted  in favor  of Amendment  11, as                                                               
amended.    Representatives Keller  and  Lynn  voted against  it.                                                               
Therefore, Amendment 11, as amended, was adopted by a vote of 4-                                                                
2.                                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
3:35:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:35 to 3:36 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:36:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR   LEDOUX  moved   to  adopt   Amendment  12,   Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.67,  Martin/Gardner, 4/1/16,  which read:  [Amendment 12                                                               
is provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:37:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT  explained  that  Amendment 12  seeks  to  allow  the                                                               
pretrial services  office, and its  officers, to require  that an                                                               
offender awaiting trial  could be required to  participate in the                                                               
24/7  program, which  is  a corrective  program  for alcohol  and                                                               
substance abuse related offenses.   The amendment also allows the                                                               
Board of Parole  to require, as a condition of  parole, that they                                                               
participate in the 24/7 program, she said.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:38:30 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  related his  concern as it  applies to  the pretrial                                                               
services  officer because  it would  allow that  pretrial service                                                               
officer  to decide  whether  or not  someone  enters the  program                                                               
under the  statute.  Typically,  the scheme would  be recommended                                                               
to  the court.    He  explained that  on  bail  those things  are                                                               
handled by the court and  the amendment would take the discretion                                                               
away  from  the  court  and  hand it  entirely  to  the  pretrial                                                               
services officer.   This amendment  does the same for  parole but                                                               
it is  typical for the  Board of  Parole to have  that authority.                                                               
He  suggested   that  if  the   committee  prefers   to  maintain                                                               
discretion with  the court  and not  pretrial services  to change                                                               
"require" to "recommend to the court."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER,  in response to  Chair LeDoux, [referred to  page 1,                                                               
line  4], suggested  that after  subsection (4)  delete the  word                                                               
"require"  and  substitute  with  the  words  "recommend  to  the                                                               
court."                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT  opined that Mr.  Steiner's recommendation  meets with                                                               
the intent of the amendment.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
3:40:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KELLER  moved   [Conceptual]   Amendment  1   to                                                               
Amendment 12,  as follows:  [page 1],  line 4,  immediately after                                                               
the subsection number "(4)" delete  the word "require" and insert                                                               
"recommend to the court."                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked for  clarification as to  whether it                                                               
should be "recommend" or "recommend to the court."                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
MS. ABBOTT stated it is "recommend."                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  restated his motion to  adopt [Conceptual]                                                               
Amendment  1  to  Amendment  12  as follows:  [page  1]  line  4,                                                               
immediately  after the  number subsection  "(4)" delete  the word                                                               
"require"  and  insert the  word  "recommend."   There  being  no                                                               
objection, [Conceptual] Amendment 1 to Amendment 12 was adopted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER removed his objection to Amendment 12.                                                                    
There being no objection, Amendment 12, as amended, was adopted.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
3:41:57 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX moved to adopt Amendment 13, Version 29-                                                                           
LS0896\H.68, Gardner, 4/1/16, as follows:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 96, following line 21:                                                                                                
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
          "* Sec. 152. AS 47.38.020(d) is repealed and                                                                      
     reenacted to read:                                                                                                         
          (d)  The department may, in accordance with AS                                                                        
     36.30, procure and enter into agreements or contracts                                                                      
       to establish and implement the program and testing                                                                       
     required under (a) - (c) of this section."                                                                                 
                                                                                                                              
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                              
     Page 102, line 15:                                                                                                         
          Delete "secs. 152 - 154"                                                                                              
          Insert "secs. 153 - 155"                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Page 102, line 16:                                                                                                         
          Delete "152 - 154"                                                                                                    
          Insert "153 - 155"                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                              
     Page 103, line 6:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 152"                                                                                                     
          Insert "sec. 153"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 8:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 156(a)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(a)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 11:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(b)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(b)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 14:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(b)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(b)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 17:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(c)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(c)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 20:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(d)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(d)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 23:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(e)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(e)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 26:                                                                                                         
          Delete "sec. 156(f)"                                                                                                  
          Insert "sec. 157(f)"                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
     Page 103, line 30:                                                                                                         
          Delete "143 - 151, and 155"                                                                                           
          Insert "143 - 152, and 156"                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Page 104, line 2:                                                                                                          
          Delete "sec. 152"                                                                                                     
          Insert "sec. 153"                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Page 104, line 4:                                                                                                          
          Delete "152 - 154, and 156(f)"                                                                                        
          Insert "153 - 155, and 157(f)"                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:42:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  ABBOTT explained  that  the  intent of  Amendment  13 is  to                                                               
insert  the procurement  process into  the Alaska  Alcohol Safety                                                               
Action  Program (ASAP)  and the  24/7 program,  and require  that                                                               
procurement  for any  of those  programs be  part of  the process                                                               
before entering into contracts.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER removed his objection.  There being no                                                                    
objection, Amendment 13 was adopted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:42:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX moved to adopt Amendment 14, Version 29-                                                                           
LS0896\H.54, Martin/Gardner, 3/31/16, as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 98, following line 12:                                                                                                
     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
        "* Sec. 157. The uncodified law of the State of                                                                     
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          REPORT OF THE ALASKA CRIMINAL JUSTICE COMMISSION                                                                      
     REGARDING  RESTITUTION.  The  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                                    
     Commission established in AS  44.19.641 shall submit to                                                                    
     the  governor  and  the   legislature  not  later  than                                                                    
     December    1,   2016,    a   report    regarding   the                                                                    
     implementation  of a  financial  recovery and  victim's                                                                    
     restitution  program.   The  Alaska   Criminal  Justice                                                                    
     Commission  shall  deliver  the report  to  the  senate                                                                    
     secretary  and   the  chief  clerk  of   the  house  of                                                                    
     representatives  and notify  the  legislature that  the                                                                    
     report  is  available.   The  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                                    
     Commission  shall  make recommendations  for  statutory                                                                    
     changes  to  improve  the  payment  and  collection  of                                                                    
     victim's   restitution.   The   report   must   include                                                                    
     recommendations   regarding   restitution  for   crimes                                                                    
     against  a  person  and  for  property  crimes  against                                                                    
     businesses and members of the public."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
3:43:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX explained that Amendment 14 tasks the Alaska                                                                       
Criminal   Justice   Commission   to   provide   a   report   and                                                               
recommendations on the complex issue of restitution programs.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER removed his objection.  There being no                                                                    
objection, Amendment 14 was adopted.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:44:05 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX moved to adopt Amendment 15, Version 29-                                                                           
LS0896\H.62, Gardner, 4/1/16, as follows:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     Page 98, following line 12:                                                                                                
          Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                    
        "*  Sec. 157.  The uncodified  law of  the State  of                                                                
     Alaska is amended by adding a new section to read:                                                                         
          REPORT ON OFFENSES OF DRIVING WHILE INTOXICATED,                                                                      
     REFUSAL  OF  A CHEMICAL  TEST,  AND  DRIVING WITHOUT  A                                                                    
     VALID  DRIVER'S LICENSE.  The  Alaska Criminal  Justice                                                                    
     Commission, established  in AS 44.19.641,  shall submit                                                                    
     to the governor and to  the legislature, not later than                                                                    
     December 1, 2016, a  report regarding the effectiveness                                                                    
     of   the   penalties,   fines,  and   reformative   and                                                                    
     rehabilitative  measures   under  state  law   for  the                                                                    
     offenses  of  driving  while  intoxicated,  refusal  to                                                                    
     submit to a chemical test,  and driving without a valid                                                                    
     driver's   license.   The   Alaska   Criminal   Justice                                                                    
     Commission  shall  deliver  the report  to  the  senate                                                                    
     secretary  and   the  chief  clerk  of   the  house  of                                                                    
     representatives  and notify  the  legislature that  the                                                                    
     report  is  available.   The  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                                    
     Commission shall  include in  the report an  opinion on                                                                    
     whether  the  penalties,  fines,  and  reformative  and                                                                    
     rehabilitative  measures   under  state  law   for  the                                                                    
     offenses of driving while  under the influence, refusal                                                                    
     to submit  to a  chemical test,  and driving  without a                                                                    
     valid  driver's  license   reduce  recidivism,  promote                                                                    
     rehabilitation  and  protect  the  public.  The  Alaska                                                                    
     Criminal  Justice  Commission shall  propose  statutory                                                                    
     changes  for  those   offenses  to  reduce  recidivism,                                                                    
     promote rehabilitation, and protect the public."                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER objected for discussion.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
3:44:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  explained  that  Amendment  15  tasks  the  Alaska                                                               
Criminal  Justice  Reform  Commission  to provide  a  report  and                                                               
recommendation on the complex  issues of administratively revoked                                                               
licenses,  and  driving  while   intoxicated  and  refusal  of  a                                                               
chemical test.  She said [the  intent] is making sure people have                                                               
access to licenses.   A problem has been that  a person's license                                                               
is administratively revoked without a conviction.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER removed  his  objection.   There being  no                                                               
objection, Amendment 15 is adopted.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:45:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  16, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.16, Martin/Gardner,  3/25/16, as follows:  [Amendment 16                                                               
is provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:45:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN noted  that  the Office  of Victims'  Rights                                                               
requested Amendment 16, and that  this version was been submitted                                                               
in [the  other body].   The intent is  to be certain  the victim,                                                               
for their  safety, has the  right to  know when the  offender has                                                               
moved from  one facility  to another facility.   It  also ensures                                                               
that the victim's  information is updated with  the Department of                                                               
Corrections and Victim  Information Notification Everyday (VINE),                                                               
he explained.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  removed her objection.   There being  no objection,                                                               
Amendment 16 was adopted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:46:56 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  17, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.18, Martin/Gardner, 3/25/16, as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 41, lines 12 - 15:                                                                                                    
          Delete "the court shall, if feasible, send a copy                                                                     
     of  the   motion  to  the  Department   of  Corrections                                                                    
     sufficiently  in advance  of any  scheduled hearing  to                                                                    
     enable  the Department  of  Corrections  to notify  the                                                                    
     victim of that crime. If"                                                                                                  
          Insert "and"                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN explained that  Amendment 17 ensures that the                                                               
Department of  Corrections is advised  of hearings  and, thereby,                                                               
notifies  the victim  of  the  movement of  a  prisoner from  one                                                               
facility to another facility.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  removed her objection.   There being  no objection,                                                               
Amendment 17 was adopted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:47:35 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  18, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.17, Martin/Gardner,  3/25/16, as follows:  [Amendment 18                                                               
is provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:47:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN explained  that Amendment  18 allows  that a                                                               
case  granted  a  suspended  entry   of  judgment  is  listed  on                                                               
CourtView.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  recalled  that last  year  the  committee                                                               
reviewed a  fairly complicated bill  regarding what was,  and was                                                               
not,  on CourtView,  with important  policy related  discussions.                                                               
He further  recalled that  the committee  went through  the bill,                                                               
with the court,  in a fair amount of detail  and approved certain                                                               
things taken off CourtView due to the potential for misuse.                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX agreed  that the  committee  did discuss  CourtView                                                               
issues  where  people had  not  been  convicted, whereas  with  a                                                               
suspended  imposition  of  judgment  someone  has  actually  been                                                               
convicted  of  something  even   though  the  judgment  has  been                                                               
suspended.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN opined  that suspended  entry of  judgment                                                               
would not  have a conviction  because part of the  newly proposed                                                               
statute regarding  suspended entry of judgment  "is they actually                                                               
would  not  enter  a  plea  under  the  suspended  imposition  of                                                               
judgment section under the current  statute they actually have to                                                               
plead guilty before  they get -- they don't  impose sentence even                                                               
though they plead guilty under  this suspended entry of judgment,                                                               
they actually  are not pleading  guilty they are just  being sent                                                               
off on a program and if they do well they are never convicted."                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
3:49:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  clarified that, currently, the  suspended imposition                                                               
of sentence is where a person  pleads, is found guilty, and it is                                                               
entered.   Subsequently,  in the  event  the person  successfully                                                               
completes their  probation, they  have completed  their suspended                                                               
imposition  of sentence,  and the  person won't  be sentenced  or                                                               
receive a jail sentence.   Although, through case law, the person                                                               
is considered  convicted and  at that point  it is  on CourtView.                                                               
He said  he does not  know what  changes the Alaska  Court System                                                               
has  made with  respect  to  that.   He  stressed  that the  real                                                               
problem  is when  a  person  has to  answer  the  question on  an                                                               
employment application,  they have  to admit they  were convicted                                                               
because they were, in fact, convicted.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER  explained that the  suspended entry of  judgment was                                                               
created through  the commission's  process and that,  although, a                                                               
person  does  actually  plead  guilty,   the  judgment  is  never                                                               
entered; therefore,  the person  is never formally  found guilty.                                                               
He  explained that  the person  then completes  the terms  of the                                                               
agreement made  with the  state, and then  the judgment  is never                                                               
entered  at  all.   Technically,  he  said,  the person  was  not                                                               
convicted  and  the person  can  answer  "No" to  the  employment                                                               
application question  of whether  they have  been convicted  of a                                                               
crime because  the admission was  never entered.  The  idea being                                                               
that  the commission  would  create what  was  intended with  the                                                               
original  suspended imposition  of sentence,  which through  case                                                               
law  became  something  else.   He  suggested  the  question  the                                                               
committee should  weigh with regard  to this issue,  will leaving                                                               
it  on CourtView  impact  the intended  effect  of the  suspended                                                               
entry of  judgment, which is  to allow  someone to say  they have                                                               
never been convicted.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:51:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX asked whether it  is anticipated those files will be                                                               
sealed.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER responded  that  he could  not  recall the  specific                                                               
conclusion the commission recommended,  but it was discussed that                                                               
the  file  would be  available  in  the  court system  so  anyone                                                               
performing  a  search  would  find  it,  but  not  simply  be  on                                                               
CourtView.  He offered  that  it  would have  to  be something  a                                                               
person must know existed and go  to the courthouse to find, or it                                                               
could  be considered  confidential where  court system  employees                                                               
have access  but the public  would not have  access.  He  said he                                                               
was  unsure whether  the  commission  specifically resolved  that                                                               
issue.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  asked what  sorts  of  crimes  would allow  for  a                                                               
suspended imposition of judgment.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. STEINER answered that he  could not recall whether there were                                                               
any restrictions to it at  all and that Tracey Wollenberg, Deputy                                                               
Public Defender  may be able  to answer  that question but  it is                                                               
essentially an agreement  with the state and the  defendant as to                                                               
whether or not to pursue this resolution.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
3:53:11 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
TRACEY WOLLENBERG,  Deputy Director, Appellate  Division, Central                                                               
Office,   Public    Defender   Agency   (PDA),    Department   of                                                               
Administration (DOA),  said there are exclusions  for eligibility                                                               
for  a  suspended  entry  of  judgment and  they  are  listed  in                                                               
subsection (f) of the suspended  entry of judgment section in the                                                               
bill.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
3:53:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 3:53 to 3:54 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:54:08 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WOLLENBERG referred  to Sec. 67, [AS  12.55.078(f)], page 39,                                                               
lines 4-5, which read:                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
           (f) The court may not suspend imposing or                                                                            
     entering the judgment and defer prosecution under this                                                                     
     section of a person who                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WOLLENBERG  advised that  the  language  then lists  several                                                               
subsections  of exclusions  which include  certain assaults,  sex                                                               
assaults,  use of  a firearm  in the  commission of  the offense,                                                               
convicted  of  a crime  involving  domestic  violence, and  other                                                               
exceptions.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
3:54:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that  crimes of  violence are  exempt from                                                               
this.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WOLLENBERG  advised  that certain  crimes  of  violence  are                                                               
exempt from this.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WOLLENBERG,  in  response  to Chair  LeDoux,  answered  that                                                               
sexual  assaults  and  sexual  abuse of  a  minor  are  excluded.                                                               
Although,  she advised,  she is  working off  of her  memory from                                                               
knowledge of the numeric statutes and  asked for a few moments to                                                               
review the statutes.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX set Amendment 18 aside.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
3:56:14 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  19, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.66,  Martin/Gardner, 4/1/16,  as follows:  [Amendment 19                                                               
is provided at the end of the minutes for HB 205.]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
3:56:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN advised that  Amendment 19 moves the property                                                               
felony  theft threshold  up  to $1,000,  and  further advised  he                                                               
worked  on  the  amendment  with Representative  Claman  and  the                                                               
National Federation  of Independent  Business (NFIB) people.   He                                                               
pointed out  that a few  years ago the property  felony threshold                                                               
was at $500, it then moved up to  $750, and under this bill it is                                                               
at  $2,000.    There  were  problems with  that  figure  and,  he                                                               
related, there was  a meeting of the minds in  moving it from the                                                               
current $750 to $1,000, which would  affect some of the issues of                                                               
concern and still keep it within reasonable limits.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
3:57:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO commented,  with regard  to the  recommendation of  the                                                               
felony  theft  threshold, the  commission  spent  a lot  of  time                                                               
reviewing  this particular  recommendation because  it was  aware                                                               
that two  years ago  there were  substantial comments  from local                                                               
business people when it moved from  $500 to $750.  The commission                                                               
also took  into consideration the substantial  amount of evidence                                                               
which showed that there was  no correlation between the top value                                                               
felony theft threshold and an  increase on crime.  The commission                                                               
looked at  26 other states that  chose to raise its  felony theft                                                               
threshold to $2,000,  and in those states the  number of property                                                               
crimes went down.  That  information allowed the commission to be                                                               
comfortable  in saying  that if  Alaska raised  its felony  theft                                                               
threshold to $2,000,  that a substantial body  of evidence showed                                                               
that  it would  not  increase  the public  safety  impact on  the                                                               
business  community even  though  that appears  counterintuitive.                                                               
The commission  also reviewed  the period  when the  felony theft                                                               
threshold was $500, and when  accounting for the increase in what                                                               
$500  was when  it  passed in  1978, that  $500  would be  $1,800                                                               
today.   Therefore,  especially with  a property  crime involving                                                               
value, the commission  wanted to set a value  that was realistic,                                                               
would have  no impact on  the amount  of property crime,  and was                                                               
consistent  with what  the majority  of  states were  doing.   He                                                               
explained there was a substantial  amount of evidence that $2,000                                                               
is the correct number.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
3:59:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER  asked whether  there was a  PEW Charitable                                                               
Trust estimate of  the difference between what it  would save the                                                               
state for the difference between $1,000 and $2,000.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO stated he could not  recall and stressed that out of all                                                               
of the recommendations this one is substantial.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:00:29 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   commented  that   Representative  Lynn's                                                               
initial  amendment   would  have  taken  out   the  indexing  for                                                               
inflation provisions that are part of  the bill.  Under the House                                                               
bill, every  fifth year the  legislature would look  at inflation                                                               
and  it   would  automatically  increase  every   time  inflation                                                               
suggested  the   legislature  should  increase;   therefore,  the                                                               
legislature  wouldn't have  to  come back  and  hold hearings  to                                                               
raise the  amount and, he  opined, that  is an important  part of                                                               
the amendment being offered.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:01:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KELLER  asked   Representative  Claman   whether                                                               
anything was done with the fine.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN   answered  yes,   and  he   advised  that                                                               
Amendment 24  raises the misdemeanor  fine level from  $10,000 to                                                               
$25,000.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER  quiered whether  Representative  Claman's                                                               
theory is that the increase in the fine will act as a deterrent.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN responded yes.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:01:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  FOSTER  stated  he  is  siding  with  the  Alaska                                                               
Criminal Judicial Commission on this amendment.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   FOSTER  repeated,   for  Representative   Lynn's                                                               
benefit,  that  he  supports  the   amount  the  Alaska  Criminal                                                               
Judicial  Commission  recommended and  he  does  not support  the                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX set Amendment 19 aside.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:02:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  20, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.65, Martin/Gardner, 4/1/16, as follows:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 66, line 19:                                                                                                          
          Delete "55"                                                                                                       
          Insert "70"                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:03:03 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN offered that Amendment  20 changes the age of                                                               
geriatric eligibility for discretionary  parole for sex offenders                                                               
from 55 years of age to 70 years of age.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:03:47 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:03 to 4:04 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:04:42 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN acknowledged  that the commission performed                                                               
research and he would like to know the results of that research.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  apologized because he  should have said  "elder parole"                                                               
rather  than  "geriatric  parole"  in  that  it  sets  the  whole                                                               
consideration on  a bad note.   The commission reviewed  the data                                                               
again to determine  what the data revealed  about this particular                                                               
class of the prison population.   He related, this is the fastest                                                               
growing segment  of the Alaska  prison population,  prisoners age                                                               
51 and  older have more  than doubled  in the last  10-years, and                                                               
they cost  the state millions  of dollars, especially  in medical                                                               
care.   Studies performed  nationally, including  studies through                                                               
the Alaska  Judicial Council,  show that  these offenders  are at                                                               
the  bottom of  those  likely to  reoffend.  When the  commission                                                               
recommended creating  this elder parole  valve it wanted  to make                                                               
sure  that  elder offenders,  who  no  longer  pose a  threat  to                                                               
communities and  having already spent  a decade behind  bars, are                                                               
offered the  opportunity to  present their case  to the  Board of                                                               
Parole.   He said the Board  of Parole hears the  case, considers                                                               
all  of the  evidence, considers  the victims,  and it  makes the                                                               
decision on  who gets paroled.   The  commission's recommendation                                                               
simply presents the opportunity to  that elder class of offenders                                                               
and,  he   pointed  out,  this   amendment  will  so   limit  the                                                               
effectiveness  of the  commission's recommendation  as to  simply                                                               
make  it useless,  and that  is how  it should  be considered  in                                                               
light of the commission's original recommendations, he remarked.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:07:25 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  referred to  the statistics and  data, and                                                               
asked where  it showed a  significant drop off in  reoffending as                                                               
an age matter, and drop off in recidivism.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  responded that  from the  data the  commission received                                                               
from PEW Charitable  Trust it was as early as  age 45 when people                                                               
aged out of the re-offense categories.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  questioned why  the commission  picked age                                                               
55 if the data indicated people 45 years of age.                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:08:38 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  explained  that  when  the  commission  offered  these                                                               
recommendations, it  reviewed the data, went  through a consensus                                                               
based approach, and 55 was  the consensus based approach in light                                                               
of all of the evidence.   He stated that the commission wanted to                                                               
present  to  the legislature  something  the  people from  public                                                               
safety across the  board, the judges, and all, would  agree was a                                                               
useful  number to  pick.   He commented  that it  was not  a dart                                                               
board approach, but rather the  PEW Charitable Trust evidence was                                                               
taken into consideration.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN surmised  that  the  PEW Charitable  Trust                                                               
evidence said  the state could  start this  group at 45,  and the                                                               
commission determined that  45 would not pass  the straight faced                                                               
test, and that 55 is reasonable  given the fact that the drop off                                                               
is at 45.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO  said,  "You  could  say that  I  suppose,  that's  not                                                               
(indisc.)."                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  noted that  turning 55 does  not guarantee                                                               
someone gets  out on parole  because they  have to go  before the                                                               
Board of Parole,  make their case, and some will  be released and                                                               
some will not.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO said in Alaska, people  that are parole eligible are not                                                               
taking advantage of  applying for parole because it  is a complex                                                               
process.   The  commission  tried to  make  the consideration  of                                                               
parole easier for  incarcerated people if they are  doing all the                                                               
right things  or if  there are  extenuating circumstances  in the                                                               
elder  situation.   He opined  that  the elder  situation is  the                                                               
extenuating  circumstance  in  that  if someone  is  sick  it  is                                                               
unlikely they  will reoffend,  and it is  at least  something the                                                               
Parole Board  can consider because  currently it  cannot consider                                                               
it, he explained.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:10:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  stated  she  is  not  removing  her  objection  to                                                               
Amendment 20.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:11:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A roll call  vote was taken.  Representative Lynn  voted in favor                                                               
of  Amendment   20.    Representatives   Claman,  Kreiss-Tomkins,                                                               
Foster,  Keller,  and  LeDoux  voted   against  it.    Therefore,                                                               
Amendment 20 failed by a vote of 1-5.                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:12:40 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  returned the committee  to discussion  of Amendment                                                               
18.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:12:54 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. WOLLENBERG  offered clarification  [with regard  to Amendment                                                               
18] that  what is  primarily covered  within the  exclusions from                                                               
the  suspended entry  of judgment  statute are  violent offenses.                                                               
There are five categories of  exclusions and these categories are                                                               
taken  directly   from  the  existing  suspended   imposition  of                                                               
sentence  statutes and  carried  over into  the  new proposal  of                                                               
suspended entry of judgment.   The first category of offenses are                                                               
violent offenses,  anything from first and  second degree murder,                                                               
assaults in the first, second,  and third degree, stalking in the                                                               
first and  second degree, kidnapping,  human trafficking  and sex                                                               
trafficking,  distribution and  possession of  child pornography,                                                               
sex  assaults,  sexual  abuse of  a  minor,  robbery,  extortion,                                                               
coercion, those  types of offenses.   She referred to  the lowest                                                               
level of  offenses against  a person, and  assault four  and that                                                               
reckless  endangerment   are  not  included  in   that  group  of                                                               
exclusions as  they are covered  on page 39, line  16, subsection                                                               
(4), which read:                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
             (4) is convicted of a violation of AS                                                                              
     11.41.230 - 11.41.250 or a felony ...                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS.  WOLLENBERG said  that if  a person  is convicted  of assault                                                               
four  or  reckless  endangerment  and  have  one  or  more  prior                                                               
convictions for  a misdemeanor  violation or  a felony,  they are                                                               
excluded, although  the person is  not automatically  excluded if                                                               
they have the  lowest level of assault  or reckless endangerment.                                                               
She  reiterated  there are  other  exclusions  such as,  using  a                                                               
firearm in  the commission of  the offense, convicted of  a crime                                                               
involving domestic violence, and  previously granted a suspension                                                               
of judgment,  unless the court  enters written findings  by clear                                                               
and  convincing   evidence  that   the  person's   prospects  for                                                               
rehabilitation are high, and  that suspending judgment adequately                                                               
protects the victim  of the offense.  She opined  that the bottom                                                               
line is  that a lot of  what is primarily covered  by the statute                                                               
would  be  property  offenses,  drug  offenses,  and  non-violent                                                               
offenses.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:15:27 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
NANCY MEADE,  General Counsel, Alaska Court  System (ACS) advised                                                               
that [Amendment  18] clarifies  for the  Alaska Court  System and                                                               
builds  off of  last year's  House Bill  15 recently  signed into                                                               
law,  requiring the  court system  to remove  from CourtView  any                                                               
criminal case  that ends in  an acquittal  or a dismissal  of all                                                               
charges.  She  advised that [Amendment 18,  AS 22.35.030(b)] Sec.                                                               
83, being  added to the  bill would  state that the  Alaska Court                                                               
System will publish, will not  take off of CourtView, those cases                                                               
that  are  processed  under  the   suspended  entry  of  judgment                                                               
provision  that Ms.  Wollenburg explained.   The  reason for  the                                                               
amendment, she offered,  is that the suspended  entry of judgment                                                               
cases do end up with the  case being dismissed against the person                                                               
"so  perhaps the  plain  meaning  of the  statute  that you  just                                                               
passed would be that the court  system needs to remove those from                                                               
CourtView  because  they are  a  criminal  case  that ends  in  a                                                               
dismissal."    The  difference,  she  noted,  is  that  with  the                                                               
suspended entry of judgment, the  person must be found guilty, or                                                               
plead guilty to even get into  that realm.  Therefore, it may not                                                               
exactly comport with  what the committee intended  when it passed                                                               
House  Bill 15  because  that  was based  upon  the  fact that  a                                                               
person,  having been  acquitted or  their charges  dismissed, was                                                               
not  guilty, and  that subsection  (b) would  clarify that  those                                                               
would be kept  on CourtView.  She stated, "To  be clear the court                                                               
doesn't have  a position as  to whether  they shall or  shall not                                                               
publish them  on CourtView,"  as that  is the  committee's policy                                                               
call.  Although  the court system does request clarity  as to the                                                               
legislature's intent, she said.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:17:41 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  surmised that if  the committee does not  want them                                                               
on CourtView,  the court system  is requesting  another amendment                                                               
to clarify  that the committee  does not want them  on CourtView.                                                               
Whereas, Representative's  Lynn's amendment  is clarifying  it so                                                               
that they are on CourtView, she pointed out.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS.  MEADE  clarified that  the  Alaska  Court System  does  seek                                                               
clarity and did  not request that this amendment  say "they shall                                                               
be  published on  CourtView."   She  pointed out  that the  other                                                               
body's bill added  this wording, and either way is  fine with the                                                               
court system.   She then  reiterated that an  amendment directing                                                               
the court system "shall or shall not" would be helpful."                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:18:37 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN  surmised   that   there  are   suspended                                                               
impositions  of   sentence,  which  is  current   law,  and  this                                                               
amendment  adds another  option of  suspended entry  of judgment.                                                               
He asked  the procedure  of suspended  imposition of  sentence on                                                               
CourtView currently.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  responded that suspended imposition  of sentence (SIS)                                                               
will remain  in the law  because this  bill does not  remove that                                                               
option, it adds  a second option.  Those do  remain on CourtView,                                                               
and they are not dismissed at the end of the case, she said.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:19:26 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  concluded that this  amendment essentially                                                               
treats a  suspended entry  of judgment the  same as  a "suspended                                                               
imposition of judgment" as to what is listed on CourtView.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE responded in the affirmative.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  verified  that  it is  not  necessary  to                                                               
"change the language on this at all to have that happen."                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE answered that that is what this amendment would do.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:19:51 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX stressed  that if the committee does  not want these                                                               
people  on  CourtView,  just  as   the  Alaska  Criminal  Justice                                                               
Commission does  not want them  on CourtView, then  the committee                                                               
would vote down [Amendment 18],  and the court system would still                                                               
like  clarifying   language  regarding   the  intention   of  the                                                               
committee.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE  agreed, and said that  the court system would  be just                                                               
as happy  with adding the word  "not."   She  reiterated that the                                                               
court system only  requests clarity.  She opined  that the Alaska                                                               
Criminal  Justice   Commission  did   not  specifically   make  a                                                               
recommendation as  to whether  these would, or  would not,  be on                                                               
CourtView.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX referred to Amendment  18, line 4, and asked whether                                                               
adding the  word "not" after "shall"  would do the trick  for the                                                               
court system.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE said yes, either way.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:20:59 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN asked  whether  the [other  body], in  its                                                               
proposed  bill, said  to put  it on  CourtView or  not put  it on                                                               
CourtView.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE offered that  the wording in SB 91 is  as follows:  "it                                                               
shall be on  CourtView."  She explained that the  wording of this                                                               
amendment mirrors what currently appears in SB 91.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX commented, "We do things our own way."                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN agreed, and he  noted it is helpful to know                                                               
what they are doing on the other side of the building.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX agreed.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:21:39 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER extended  that the  commission spent  many                                                               
hours  on  this issue  and,  he  acknowledged,  he was  won  over                                                               
because  he  values  the  suspended entry  of  judgment  for  the                                                               
purpose of  making it  easier for people  to reenter  society and                                                               
rehabilitate, and also give the  court the option of keeping this                                                               
off  of  CourtView.    He  advised he  would  be  voting  against                                                               
Amendment  18,   and  believes  there  value   by  including  the                                                               
suspended  entry of  judgment process  into the  state's criminal                                                               
system.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE referred to adding, or  not adding, the word "not," and                                                               
reiterated that the court system  does not have an opinion either                                                               
way, it wants to be told  rather than leaving it to sometimes put                                                               
it on and sometimes not put it on.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
4:23:31 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  surmised, for purposes of  clarity, if the                                                               
committee does  not support  Amendment 18  as written,  the court                                                               
system's  request  would be  that  the  committee move  to  amend                                                               
Amendment 18 to add the word "not."                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KELLER interjected that  the court system does not                                                               
care, it just wants clarity.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  stressed that the  Alaska Court System wants  it to                                                               
read either the language in Amendment  18, or [the word] "not" in                                                               
it.                                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:24:15 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  1 to                                                               
Amendment 18 to  add the word "not" after the  word "shall," page                                                               
1, line 4 of Amendment 18.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN  objected,  and   asked  why  the  committee                                                               
doesn't vote  on Amendment 18 and  if it passes to  offer another                                                               
amendment.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX explained  that it  would come  to the  same result                                                               
either way and  [Conceptual] Amendment 1 is a  valid amendment to                                                               
Amendment 18.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:26:09 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Claman,  Kreiss-                                                               
Tomkins,  Keller,  and  LeDoux voted  in  favor  of  [Conceptual]                                                               
Amendment 1 to  Amendment 18.  Representative  Lynn voted against                                                               
it.   Therefore,  [Conceptual] Amendment  1 to  Amendment 18  was                                                               
adopted by a vote of 4-1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:26:07 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MS. MEADE explained  that just adding the word "not"  does not do                                                               
the  trick  because  when  reading  the  entire  sentence  "shall                                                               
publish  with a  notation indicating  an SEJ  and notwithstanding                                                               
(a)."                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:26:46 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN  [withdrew]   Conceptual  Amendment  1  to                                                               
Amendment 18.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:27:02 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  moved to  adopt Conceptual Amendment  2 to                                                               
Amendment 18  on page 1, line  4, to further refine  as needed to                                                               
insert the  word "not"  after the  word "shall;"  and on  page 1,                                                               
lines  6-7,  delete  the  words "with  a  notation  indicating  a                                                               
suspended entry of  judgment."  The conceptual  motion to include                                                               
such  further  and  technical  and  other  corrections  that  are                                                               
consistent with the intent of the amendment, he said.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX pointed  out that  the intent  of the  amendment is                                                               
that  the court  system  does not  publish  suspended entries  of                                                               
judgment on their web site.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN objected.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:28:22 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Claman,  Kreiss-                                                               
Tomkins,  Keller,  and  LeDoux   voted  in  favor  of  Conceptual                                                               
Amendment 2 to  Amendment 18.  Representative  Lynn voted against                                                               
it.    Therefore, Conceptual  Amendment  2  to Amendment  18  was                                                               
adopted by a vote of 4-1.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:28:55 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX removed her objection to Amendment 18, as amended.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE LYNN objected to Amendment 18, as amended.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:29:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
A  roll call  vote was  taken.   Representatives Keller,  Claman,                                                               
Kreiss-Tomkins, and  LeDoux voted  in favor  of Amendment  18, as                                                               
amended.    Representative Lynn  voted  against  it.   Therefore,                                                               
Amendment 18, as amended, was adopted by a vote of 4-1.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:30:01 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN moved  to adopt  Amendment  21, Version  29-                                                               
LS0896\H.4, Martin/Gardner, 3/22/16, as follows:                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
     Page 84, line 20:                                                                                                          
          Delete "and"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 84, line 23, following "contractors":                                                                             
          Insert "; and                                                                                                     
               (11) assist a prisoner in obtaining a valid                                                                  
     state identification  card or  driver's license  if the                                                                
     prisoner  does not  have a  valid state  identification                                                                
     card   or  driver's   license  before   the  prisoner's                                                                
     release; the  department shall pay the  application fee                                                                
     for the identification card or driver's license"                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:30:17 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  LYNN explained  that the  amendment ensures  that                                                               
prisoners receive  their proper  identification prior  to release                                                               
from the facility,  and the fee "shall" be waived.   The idea is,                                                               
he  related, to  facilitate  reentry of  released individuals  to                                                               
obtain a job  and take care of themselves because  they will have                                                               
proper identification.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX  removed her objection.   There being  no objection,                                                               
Amendment 21 was adopted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:31:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  moved to  adopt Amendment 22,  Version 29-                                                               
LS0896\H.44, Martin/Gardner, 3/30/16, as follows:                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
     Page 60, line 14:                                                                                                          
          Delete "and"                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 60, line 18, following "probation":                                                                               
          Insert "; and                                                                                                     
               (8)  for each probationer who owes                                                                           
     restitution  and who  is under  the supervision  of the                                                                
     officer,  create a  restitution payment  schedule based                                                                
     on the probationer's  income and ability to  pay if the                                                                
     court  has  not  already   set  a  restitution  payment                                                                
     schedule"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:31:13 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN explained that Amendment  22 has to do with                                                               
restitution obligations and  the desire to have  people make good                                                               
faith efforts  to pay that  restitution.  This  amendment ensures                                                               
that  anyone owing  restitution, if  they do  not already  have a                                                               
restitution  payment   schedule  set  by  the   court,  that  the                                                               
probation officers will make sure  there is a restitution payment                                                               
schedule  set  up, and  the  person  is  required to  follow  the                                                               
restitution schedule.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX removed her objection.  There being no objection,                                                                  
Amendment 22 was adopted.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:32:04 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN moved to adopt Amendment 23, Version 29-                                                                  
LS0896\H.9, Gardner, 3/24/16, as follows:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
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          Delete all material and insert:                                                                                       
        "* Sec. 78. AS 12.55.125(e) is amended to read:                                                                     
          (e)  Except as provided in (i) of this section, a                                                                     
     defendant  convicted  of  a   class  C  felony  may  be                                                                    
     sentenced  to a  definite term  of imprisonment  of not                                                                    
     more  than five  years,  and shall  be  sentenced to  a                                                                    
     definite term within  the following presumptive ranges,                                                                    
     subject  to adjustment  as provided  in AS  12.55.155 -                                                                    
     12.55.175:                                                                                                                 
               (1)  if the offense is a first felony                                                                            
     conviction   and   does   not   involve   circumstances                                                                    
     described in (4) of this  subsection, probation, with a                                                                
     suspended  term of  imprisonment of  zero to  18 months                                                            
     [TWO YEARS; A DEFENDANT  SENTENCED UNDER THIS PARAGRAPH                                                                    
     MAY, IF  THE COURT FINDS  IT APPROPRIATE, BE  GRANTED A                                                                    
     SUSPENDED IMPOSITION  OF SENTENCE  UNDER AS 12.55.085,]                                                                    
     and the  court may, as  a condition of  probation under                                                                    
     AS 12.55.086, require the defendant  to serve an active                                                                    
     term of imprisonment  of not more than  90 days [WITHIN                                                                
     THE RANGE SPECIFIED IN THIS PARAGRAPH];                                                                                    
               (2)  if the offense is a second felony                                                                           
     conviction, one to three [TWO TO FOUR] years;                                                                          
               (3)  if the offense is a third felony                                                                            
     conviction, two [THREE] to five years;                                                                                 
               (4)  if the offense is a first felony                                                                            
     conviction,    and    the   defendant    violated    AS                                                                    
     08.54.720(a)(15), one to two years."                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX objected for purposes of discussion.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:32:12 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   CLAMAN  offered   this  amendment   because  the                                                               
recommended presumptive term for class  C felonies under the bill                                                               
would  actually make  it  so that  the  presumptive sentence  was                                                               
always probation  for a first-time  felony offender.  He  said he                                                               
is  aware  of   the  history  that  sometimes   courts  found  it                                                               
appropriate to  require a person  to spend a limited  period time                                                               
in jail to show  them that this is not a place  they want to come                                                               
back to.  He explained the  purpose is to not require that amount                                                               
of jail time, but to give  judges the option for a limited period                                                               
of time.   He asked that  the commission provide input  in moving                                                               
forward.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:33:18 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  RAZO explained  that the  commission looked  closely at  the                                                               
research  regarding  the  efficacy   of  prison  and  found  that                                                               
particularly  for first-time  low-level felony  offenders, prison                                                               
is not the best option.   In fact, he stated, the research showed                                                               
that  housing  these  first-time  low-level  offenders  alongside                                                               
hardened criminal felons made them  more likely to commit crimes.                                                               
From a public  safety point of view, housing these  people who go                                                               
to  jail for  the  first time  did not  achieve  the effect  that                                                               
"Representative Claman  suggested the  court wanted to  show that                                                               
it was  a shock jail  sentence."  In  fact, he stressed,  in many                                                               
cases  it was  shocking enough  for  these people  to lose  their                                                               
jobs, their homes,  and weaken their family ties.   In this case,                                                               
the  consequence  of  having a  prison  sentence  was  completely                                                               
counterproductive and,  he reiterated this  was not  intuitive to                                                               
the  commission.   The  evidence was  clear  that sentencing  the                                                               
first-time low-level offender  alongside hardened criminals makes                                                               
them criminals, he said.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:34:50 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked whether the  commission specifically                                                               
looked at  this concept that  case law talks about  anywhere from                                                               
30 days  to 90  days to  serve as part  of a  primarily probation                                                               
sentence.   He reiterated as  to whether the  commission reviewed                                                               
that particular sentencing as a tool to improve results.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO  replied absolutely, although,  he said it  was reviewed                                                               
in the context  of people on probation and  violating a probation                                                               
condition.  The commission  reviewed the Probation Accountability                                                               
and Certain Enforcement (PACE) program  which, he described is an                                                               
effective immediate consequence  for someone violating probation.                                                               
He explained  that these  people made a  mistake in  judgment for                                                               
the  first-time and  are low-level  offenders.   He then  related                                                               
conversations  with people  from  the villages  who advised  that                                                               
their  son  went  to  prison  and came  back  as  a  harder  man.                                                               
Thereby, the revolving door started  wherein a person learns more                                                               
and more about how to be a  better criminal.  He offered that the                                                               
commission does  understand the value  of shock jail time  in the                                                               
context of probation violation, and that  is where it is found in                                                               
the commission's recommendation.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:36:23 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN said that  in the typical felony sentencing                                                               
with  aggravators  and mitigators,  if  there  is an  aggravating                                                               
factor  present the  court can  then go  outside the  presumptive                                                               
range.  For  example, he offered, on a first  offender that might                                                               
have  one  aggravator present  under  the  bill, the  court  [may                                                               
impose]  a  probation  sentence.   Although,  if  there  was  one                                                               
aggravating factor  present the court would  have flexibility, if                                                               
it   thought   appropriate,  to   impose   a   short  period   of                                                               
incarceration.  He asked how often  it occurs in an actual felony                                                               
prosecution in which there are no aggravating factors present.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. RAZO deferred  to someone in the practice of  felony law, and                                                               
noted that the commission did not consider the question.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:32 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
JOHN  SKIDMORE, Director,  Criminal Division,  Department of  Law                                                               
(DOL), said he is available for questions.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  CLAMAN asked  Mr. Skidmore  whether he  had heard                                                               
the question relating  to the presence of  aggravating factors in                                                               
felony prosecutions.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE advised  that he does not  have statistics regarding                                                               
how  frequently  it occurs.    However,  he said,  Representative                                                               
Claman's assessment of  the ramifications are correct  in that if                                                               
an  aggravator was  found, the  court would  have the  ability to                                                               
exceed the presumptive sentence.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked that  without the  actual statistics                                                               
and as  director of the  criminal division, whether  Mr. Skidmore                                                               
could  offer a  rough sense  -- whether  it is  a rare  case that                                                               
doesn't  have  an  aggravating  factor.    Representative  Claman                                                               
related  he knows  with  the Department  of Law,  if  there is  a                                                               
factor present it always files it  even if the court may not give                                                               
any weight to it.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. SKIDMORE  argued that  the division does  not always  file an                                                               
aggravating  factor when  it believes  the factor  exists because                                                               
the   vast  majority   of  cases   are   resolved  through   plea                                                               
negotiations,  and  the plea  negotiations  often  have that  set                                                               
sentence.   He  remarked it  does  file an  aggravator after  the                                                               
completion  of a  trial in  all circumstances  if it  believes it                                                               
existed.   He noted he  could not hazard  to guess the  number of                                                               
times there are  cases in which the division has  taken a case to                                                               
trial and there  was no aggravating factor, although,  he said it                                                               
is frequent.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
4:39:52 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   KREISS-TOMKINS   referred   to  the   data   the                                                               
commission  reviewed  regarding  low-level  first-time  offenders                                                               
incarcerated and the efficacy of  shock incarceration noting that                                                               
at a  certain point  there is a  criminogenic effect  wherein the                                                               
person  would be  more likely  to become  a criminal  and a  more                                                               
hardened criminal.   He opined  that the intent of  the amendment                                                               
is  a sense  of justice  in wanting  to see  someone in  jail for                                                               
committing  a  serious crime,  and  the  second intent  is  shock                                                               
incarceration.  He asked whether there  is a period of time where                                                               
that criminogenic  effect starts to  become clear, whether  it is                                                               
one month  or two  weeks.   Also, he asked  whether there  is any                                                               
data  or  evidence that  speaks  to  the psychological  shock  of                                                               
someone in prison for the first  time, and when that shock starts                                                               
to erode.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:41:21 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER responded  that the  data  indicated that  increased                                                               
recidivism occurred  after 24-hours.  For  example, he expressed,                                                               
a low-risk person  who spent 24-hours in jail was  more likely to                                                               
commit crimes  in the future  than someone  who spent no  time in                                                               
jail.    The   commission  did  not  specifically   look  at  the                                                               
psychological  effect of  shock jail,  but rather  looked at  the                                                               
data as  jail recidivism.   The discussion here is  about 90-days                                                               
for someone's  first felony, and  someone the state  may consider                                                               
"highly able to rehabilitate themselves."   He stressed that they                                                               
are looking  at a suspended  imposition of sentence,  and 90-days                                                               
for  most people  is enough  to take  away everything  they have,                                                               
such as  home, job,  and their  children.  He  described it  as a                                                               
significant amount of  jail time and the shock  would likely have                                                               
that effect.  The data  being that 24-hours increased recidivism,                                                               
it  is  the basis  of  the  commission's recommendation  -  which                                                               
first-time  individuals  would  be  looking  at  probation.    He                                                               
remarked, under the statute, if  an aggravator applies, that jail                                                               
time could  be imposed  so there  is some  latitude even  for the                                                               
first felony conviction.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:42:49 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS  noted that  his next  question was                                                               
directed  to  Public Defender  Steiner  and  not Alaska  Criminal                                                               
Judicial Commission  Commissioner Steiner.  He  asked, within his                                                               
experience with  a person that goes  to jail for the  first time,                                                               
what he  has seen,  and how long  the psychological  impact stays                                                               
with the person before they habituate and acculturate.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR.  STEINER advised  the question  is  of a  complexity that  he                                                               
could  not answer  because every  individual client  is different                                                               
and the  impact is different.   The  dramatic impact of  jail was                                                               
clear to  the commission  and, as Mr.  Razo discussed,  the shock                                                               
value of  jail worked well in  a probation setting.   In fact, he                                                               
said, it  is very short  periods of  time where even  that works.                                                               
For instance, Alaska has the  PACE system where someone commits a                                                               
probation  violation and  they spend  one to  four days  in jail.                                                               
Whereas,  the Hawaii  model, this  was  based upon,  has come  to                                                               
learn  that not  even an  entire day  is necessary  to have  that                                                               
effect.   For example, he  offered, a  person is arrested  in the                                                               
morning and sits  in a jail cell until evening,  that has just as                                                               
much effect  as the person spending  the night.  He  explained it                                                               
is  the  momentary  disruption,  anything  beyond  the  momentary                                                               
disruption,  from   the  data,  loses  its   value  and  actually                                                               
increases  recidivism  and reduces  public  safety.   As  to  the                                                               
psychological effect, he said he  could not answer that question.                                                               
He offered  that there is  some sense, anecdotally  from clients,                                                               
that once a person goes in, they  are in, and there is a sense of                                                               
giving up  - they've  already gone  in.   He expressed  that that                                                               
issue was certainly in his mind as he considered these policies.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:45:19 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KREISS-TOMKINS said he would  like to ask the same                                                               
question of Commissioner Dean Williams  given his background, and                                                               
that  he   appreciated  Mr.  Steiner's   disciplined  evidentiary                                                               
response and was certain that is what the data indicated.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:46:10 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
The committee took an at-ease from 4:46 to 4:47 p.m.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:47:16 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KREISS-TOMKINS  referred   to  the  psychological                                                               
impact  and  longevity  of someone's  first  shock  incarceration                                                               
wherein  someone  ends up  in  jail,  and he  asked  Commissioner                                                               
Williams  how  long that  psychological  affect  is seen  in  the                                                               
person before  they start  to habituate  and acculturate,  or the                                                               
range he has seen in his career.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
4:48:24 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
DEAN WILLIAMS, Commissioner  Designee, Department of Corrections,                                                               
responded  that   the  school   of  thought  regarding   a  shock                                                               
incarceration is  one that  his colleagues  in the  Department of                                                               
Corrections (DOC)  have been  using under the  PACE program.   He                                                               
noted there was  a similar strategy in some  juvenile areas about                                                               
getting kids  on a  very short  term basis to,  sort of,  make an                                                               
impression.  The difference of  the quick incarceration under the                                                               
PACE program  is high-risk  individuals, and  quick incarceration                                                               
is always  limited by the fact  the state does not  want low-risk                                                               
people in  jail reoffending  again.   Therefore, he  pointed out,                                                               
who  it applies  to is  almost as  important as  how it  is being                                                               
applied  when reviewing  the  criminal  intervention strategy  of                                                               
these kinds of  programs.  He noted that whether  it works or not                                                               
depends upon who  it is used on, and what  the stated purpose is.                                                               
He  referred to  the PACE  program, and  said the  goal of  those                                                               
high-risk  offenders is  to make  sure that  DOC watches  what is                                                               
going on  and gets them  in for minor  violations.  That  goal is                                                               
contra-indicated  towards low-risk  individuals.   He added  that                                                               
the  value of  using that  must  be appropriately  applied or  it                                                               
causes more damage than good.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
4:50:33 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SUSANNE  DiPETRO,  Executive  Director, Alaska  Judicial  Council                                                               
advised  that  the  Alaska Judicial  Council  staffs  the  Alaska                                                               
Criminal Justice Commission.                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  asked whether the  commission specifically                                                               
looked  at the  narrow area  of shock  incarceration or  of shock                                                               
probation which is 30-day to 90-day sentences.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS.  DiPETRO   replied  that  as  Commissioner   Razo  previously                                                               
explained,  staff never  researched  the specific  idea of  shock                                                               
incarceration of  which Alaska has  had in its  jurisprudence for                                                               
some time.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  suggested that rather than  moving forward                                                               
on  this   amendment,  the  committee   ask  the   commission  to                                                               
specifically look at  shock incarceration as to  whether it works                                                               
or  does not  work given  Alaska's history  and the  people given                                                               
that sentence.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MS. DiPETRO agreed, and  she said it may be a  good thing for the                                                               
commission  to review.   In  response  to Representative  Claman,                                                               
answered  that  in speaking  as  staff  they  would be  happy  to                                                               
provide that information to the commission.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:52:06 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  withdrew his  motion on Amendment  23 with                                                               
the assurance the  commission will review this  question over the                                                               
course of the  next year.  He offered that  the prosecution has a                                                               
lot  of authority  in a  trial  setting to  add aggravators  that                                                               
would   give   the   judge  the   authority   to   impose   shock                                                               
incarceration.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  LEDOUX  pointed  out to  Representative  Claman  that  the                                                               
committee  has  used  amendments   to  ask  the  Alaska  Criminal                                                               
Judicial  Commission to  specifically study  various issues,  and                                                               
suggested  that  he  prepare  language  prior  to  the  committee                                                               
meeting tomorrow.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  KELLER offered  that a  memorandum may  be better                                                               
served because more  information can be included  in a memorandum                                                               
than an amendment.                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE CLAMAN  agreed, and  he said he  is happy  to work                                                               
with Representative Keller who serves on the commission.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
[HB 205 was held over.]                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:53:43 PM                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR LEDOUX noted  that Mr. Doug Gardner,  Legislative Legal and                                                               
Research Services asked that Chair  LeDoux put on the record that                                                               
"Legal can make informing and  technical changes when we order an                                                               
amended bill."                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
                           AMENDMENTS                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
The  following amendments  to  HB 205  were  either discussed  or                                                               
adopted  during the  hearing.   [Shorter amendments  are provided                                                               
within the main text only.]                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
AMENDMENT 9A [Conceptual]                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
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          Insert "relating to treatment program credit for                                                                    
           time spent toward service of a sentence of                                                                         
     imprisonment;"                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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     Insert a new bill section to read:                                                                                         
      "* Sec. 62. AS 12.55.027 is amended by adding a new                                                                   
     subsection to read:                                                                                                        
          (f)  To qualify as a treatment program under this                                                                     
     section, a program must                                                                                                    
               (1)  be intended to address criminogenic                                                                         
     traits or behaviors;                                                                                                       
               (2)  provide measures of progress or                                                                             
     completion; and                                                                                                            
               (3)  require notification to the court or                                                                      
     probation officer of violations of conditions of bail                                                                    
     release or probation."                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                              
     Renumber the following bill sections accordingly.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
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               "(26)  AS 12.55.027(f), enacted by sec. 62                                                                       
     of this Act;"                                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Renumber the following paragraphs accordingly.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
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AMENDMENT 10 [29-LS0896\H.69, Gardner, 4/6/16]                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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        "* Sec. 61. AS 12.55.025(k) is amended to read:                                                                     
          (k)  If a defendant intends to claim credit under                                                                     
     AS  12.55.027 toward  a  sentence  of imprisonment  for                                                                    
     time spent in  a [TREATMENT] program as  a condition of                                                                    
     bail  in  connection  with an  offense  for  which  the                                                                    
     defendant is being sentenced,  the defendant shall file                                                                    
     notice  with  the  court and  the  prosecutor  10  days                                                                    
     before  the   sentencing  hearing.  The   notice  shall                                                                    
     include the  number of days the  defendant is claiming.                                                                    
     The  defendant   must  prove  by  a   preponderance  of                                                                    
     evidence that the requirements of  AS 12.55.027 are met                                                                    
     before  credit may  be awarded.  Except as  provided in                                                                    
     (l) of  this section,  except for  good cause,  a court                                                                    
     may not consider  a request for credit  made under this                                                                    
     subsection  more  than  90 days  after  the  sentencing                                                                    
     hearing.                                                                                                                   
        * Sec. 62. AS 12.55.025(l) is amended to read:                                                                        
          (l)  If a defendant intends to claim credit under                                                                     
     AS  12.55.027 toward  a  sentence  of imprisonment  for                                                                    
     time spent in  a [TREATMENT] program as  a condition of                                                                    
     bail  while pending  appeal, the  defendant shall  file                                                                    
     notice  with the  court and  the  prosecutor not  later                                                                    
     than  90 days  after return  of the  case to  the trial                                                                    
     court following  appeal. The  notice shall  include the                                                                    
     number  of   days  the   defendant  is   claiming.  The                                                                    
     defendant  must prove  by a  preponderance of  evidence                                                                    
     that the  requirements of AS  12.55.027 are  met before                                                                    
     credit  may  be awarded.  Except  for  good cause,  the                                                                    
     court may not consider a  request for credit made under                                                                    
     this subsection after the deadline.                                                                                        
        * Sec. 63. AS 12.55.027(a) is amended to read:                                                                        
          (a)  A court may grant a defendant credit toward                                                                      
     a  sentence  of  imprisonment   for  time  spent  in  a                                                                    
     [TREATMENT] program  that furthers the  reformation and                                                                
     rehabilitation  of the  defendant  if  the court  finds                                                                
     that the  program places  a substantial  restriction on                                                                
     the defendant's  freedom of  movement and  behavior and                                                                
     is  consistent  with  [OR UNDER  ELECTRONIC  MONITORING                                                                
     ONLY AS PROVIDED IN] this section.                                                                                         
        * Sec. 64. AS 12.55.027(b) is amended to read:                                                                        
          (b)  A court may only grant credit under this                                                                 
     section  [A  DEFENDANT  ONE  DAY  OF  CREDIT  TOWARD  A                                                                
     SENTENCE  OF   IMPRISONMENT  FOR  EACH  FULL   DAY  THE                                                                    
     DEFENDANT  RESIDED  IN  THE  FACILITY  OF  A  TREATMENT                                                                    
     PROGRAM  AND  OBSERVED  THE   RULES  OF  THE  TREATMENT                                                                    
     PROGRAM AND THE FACILITY IF]                                                                                               
               (1)   in  the  amount of  one  day of  credit                                                                
     toward  a sentence  of imprisonment  for each  full day                                                                
     the    defendant   spent    in   a    reformation   and                                                                
     rehabilitation program;  and [THE COURT FINDS  THAT THE                                                                
     TREATMENT PROGRAM MEETS THE  STANDARDS DESCRIBED IN (c)                                                                    
     OF THIS SECTION;]                                                                                                          
               (2)    if  the  court  ordered  [BEFORE]  the                                                                
     defendant  [ENTERED THE  TREATMENT  PROGRAM, THE  COURT                                                                    
     ORDERED THE  DEFENDANT] to [RESIDE  IN THE  FACILITY OF                                                                    
     THE TREATMENT  PROGRAM AND]  participate in  and comply                                                                
     with   the   conditions    of   the   reformation   and                                                                
     rehabilitation  [THE  TREATMENT]   program  before  the                                                            
     defendant entered  the program [AS A  CONDITION OF BAIL                                                                
     RELEASE OR A CONDITION OF PROBATION; AND                                                                                   
               (3)  THE COURT HAS  RECEIVED A WRITTEN REPORT                                                                    
     FROM THE DIRECTOR OF THE PROGRAM THAT                                                                                      
               (A)      STATES   THAT  THE   DEFENDANT   HAS                                                                    
     PARTICIPATED IN  THE TREATMENT PLAN PRESCRIBED  FOR THE                                                                    
     DEFENDANT  AND HAS  COMPLIED WITH  THE REQUIREMENTS  OF                                                                    
     THE PLAN; AND                                                                                                              
               (B)   SETS OUT  THE NUMBER  OF FULL  DAYS THE                                                                    
     DEFENDANT  RESIDED IN  THE  FACILITY  OF THE  TREATMENT                                                                    
     PROGRAM  AND  OBSERVED  THE   RULES  OF  THE  TREATMENT                                                                    
     PROGRAM AND FACILITY].                                                                                                     
        *  Sec.   65.  AS   12.55.027(c)  is   repealed  and                                                                  
     reenacted to read:                                                                                                         
          (c)  In granting credit toward a sentence of                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
     imprisonment  for  time  spent  in  a  reformation  and                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     rehabilitation  program,  a  court shall  consider  the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     following factors:                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
               (1)    the  restrictions on  the  defendant's                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     freedom of movement and behavior;                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
               (2)    the   circumstances  under  which  the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     defendant was enrolled in the program;                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
               (3)    the   residency  requirements  of  the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     program;                                                                                                                   
               (4)  the physical  custody and supervision of                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     the defendant at the program;                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
               (5)    the   circumstances  under  which  the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     defendant   is  permitted   to   leave  the   program's                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     facility;                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
               (6)    the  rules  of  the  program  and  the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     requirement  that  the  defendant obey  the  orders  of                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     persons who have immediate custody  or control over the                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     defendant;                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
               (7)    the  sanctions on  the  defendant  for                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     violating the program's rules or orders;                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
               (8)   whether  the  defendant  is subject  to                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     arrest  for  leaving  the  program's  facility  without                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     permission;                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
               (9)   the  use  of  an electronic  monitoring                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     device;                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
               (10)  whether  the program provides substance                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     abuse treatment;                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
               (11)    the  use  of  other  technology  that                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     monitors  or  restricts  the defendant's  movement  and                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     behavior;                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
               (12)  other factors  that support the court's                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     finding   that  the   program   places  a   substantial                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     restriction on the defendant's  freedom of movement and                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     behavior;                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
               (13)  other factors  that support the court's                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     finding that  the program furthers the  reformation and                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
     rehabilitation of the defendant."                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
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               "(1)  AS 12.55.025(k), as amended by sec. 61                                                                     
     of this Act;                                                                                                               
               (2)  AS 12.55.025(l), as amended by sec. 62                                                                      
     of this Act;                                                                                                               
               (3) AS 12.55.027(a), as amended by sec. 63                                                                       
     of this Act;                                                                                                               
               (4)  AS 12.55.027(b), as amended by sec. 64                                                                      
     of this Act;                                                                                                               
               (5)  AS 12.55.027(c), as repealed and                                                                            
     reenacted by sec. 65 of this Act;"                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
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               (4)  require that a defendant charged with                                                                       
     an offense involving the use of alcohol or controlled                                                                      
     substances comply with a program established under AS                                                                      
     47.38.020; and"                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
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     new subsection to read:                                                                                                    
          (h)  In addition to other conditions of parole                                                                        
     imposed under  this section, for  a prisoner  serving a                                                                    
     sentence for  an offense involving  the use  of alcohol                                                                    
     or controlled  substances, the board  may impose,  as a                                                                    
     condition    of   special    medical,   administrative,                                                                    
     discretionary, or mandatory  parole, a requirement that                                                                    
     the prisoner  comply with  a program  established under                                                                    
     AS 33.16.060(c) or AS 47.38.020.  The board may require                                                                    
     a  prisoner serving  a period  of parole  and complying                                                                    
     with a program established  under AS 33.16.060(c) or AS                                                                    
     47.38.020  to  pay  all  or  a  portion  of  the  costs                                                                    
     associated with the program."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
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     (b)    At  the  time of  sentencing,  the  court  shall                                                                    
     provide the victim with a form that                                                                                        
     (1)  provides information on                                                                                               
     (A)  whom  the victim should contact if  the victim has                                                                    
     questions  about   the  sentence  or  release   of  the                                                                    
     offender;                                                                                                                  
     (B)   the  potential  for release  of  the offender  on                                                                    
     furlough,  probation,  or  parole   or  for  good  time                                                                    
     credit; and                                                                                                                
     (2)  allows  the victim to update  the victim's contact                                                                    
     information with the court,  the Victim Information and                                                                    
     Notification Everyday service,  and with the Department                                                                    
     of Corrections."                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
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     (10)  within  30 days after sentencing  of an offender,                                                                    
     provide  the  victim  of a  crime  information  on  the                                                                    
     earliest  dates  the  offender  could  be  released  on                                                                    
     furlough,  probation, or  parole, including  deductions                                                                    
     or  reductions  for good  time  or  other good  conduct                                                                    
     incentives  and  the  process  for  release,  including                                                                    
     contact information for the decision-making bodies"                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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AMENDMENT 18 [29-LS0896\H.17, Martin/Gardner, 3/25/16]                                                                      
                                                                                                                              
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     Alaska Court  System shall publish the  court record of                                                                    
     a person who  is granted a suspended  entry of judgment                                                                    
     under  AS 12.55.078  on  a  publicly available  website                                                                    
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AMENDMENT 19 [29-LSSS0896\H.66, Martin/Gardner, 4/1/16]                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
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ADJOURNMENT                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
There being no further business before the committee, the House                                                                 
Judiciary Standing Committee meeting was adjourned at 4:54 p.m.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                

Document Name Date/Time Subjects
HB 347 - Supporting Documents - Article Alaska Policy Forum 02-10-2016.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
HB 347 - Sponsor Statement.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
HB 347 - Sectional Analysis.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
HB 347 - Version A.PDF HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
HB 347 - Fiscal Notes -LAW-CIV-04-01-16.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
Amendment 9 - Conceptual Language.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205
Amendment 10 - Supporting Document.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205
Amendment 30.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205
HB 205 - Amendments 1-30.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205
HB 347 - Supporting Documents - Alaska Policy Forum Report.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 347
HB 205 - Support Document - Letter Newt Gingrich 03.31.16.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205
HB 205 - Support Document - Letter Violent Crimes Compensation Board 04.07.16.pdf HJUD 4/7/2016 1:00:00 PM
HB 205